Sathya Sai Baba Deceptions Exposed

Exposing major deceits by guru Sathya Sai Baba in India, incl. murders cover-up & widely alleged sexual abuse

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Sai Baba dropped Vibuthi Pellet during darshan!

Posted by robertpriddy on May 23, 2018

Numerous testimonies that Baba dropped vibuthi pellets in front of former devotees, and also that he had, in the private interview room, a vibuthi pellet ‘machine’ which compressed the powder with water. Previous photographic or video evidence of pellets (between his fingers etc.) were sparse and not so clear. The video which has emerged on YouTube removes all possible doubt that he crushed pre-prepared pellets and did not materialise those.

To view a short clip with the important footage, go to https://www.dropbox.com/s/ain9opy4r1nzssi/Vibuti%20pellet%20drop.mov?dl=0 It looks as thought, having dropped the vibuti pellet, Baba quickly drops letters as well so a lady picks it all up (seems to be aware of the situation). Baba looks worried and then tried to avert people’s attention.

Sathya Sai Baba drops Vibuti Pellet at darshan. Baba drops the pellet and its fall is very clearly visible. This occurs at 1.03 secs. into the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBilntPmlqE&feature=share


Erlendur Haraldsson take note!

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Chris Dokter, professional academic and Baba dissident

Posted by robertpriddy on May 15, 2018

Chris Dokter is a fellow academic and educator. Mr. Dokter is an alumnus of the University of Groningen, an institute founded in 1614, with a steady top 100 world ranking (see here). He graduated with honours in clinical psychology, with minors in labour and organizational psychology. After graduating he went on to become a licensed health psychologist and psychotherapist (holding five specialties: group psychology and therapy, behavioral therapy, client centered therapy, trauma and EMDR therapy, and relation therapy), foregoing a Ph.D position. Alongside his therapeutic work, he fore fronted equal rights for students and graduates with physical and mental handicaps, and was appointed trainer and supervisor in postgraduate schooling. For ten years, he was also columnist for a nationwide mental health magazine.

Chris, August 1981, Puttaparthi

As a young man, at the end of the seventies, early eighties, when he suddenly got so ill he could not prolong his erstwhile studies (Pedagogics & Education), he became heavily involved in the budding Sathya Sai Baba phenomenon and Organization. He was instrumental in helping shape the first statutes, and subsequently translated several books on the subject of ‘the man of miracles’ into Dutch (e.g. the Howard Murphet classic Sai Baba: Man of Miracles and the equally (in)famous Samuel Sandweiss one: Sai Baba, the Holy Man… and the Psychiatrist). Soon after his interest was aroused, he visited India for months at a time in 1981, 1983, 1985, and lastly in 1990, attracting special attention from the godman and gaining multiple group and 2 private interviews, plus several materializations of vibhuti. After his first visit, he toured his home country with slide shows and talks about his special experiences, which in turn led him to lead groups of country men and women on organized tours to Brindavan and Puttaparthi.

When in 1992, the idea was launched to go and make a film about this enigmatic man, a crew of filmmakers, cameramen and scientists under the egis of Dutch national television (IKON), Mr. Dokter was first asked by the overall, veteran director Philip Engelen (died 2010) to translate the script, ‘Sathya Sai Baba Als in een Spiegel’ into English and, after completion, lending his voice to the international version (‘Sathya Sai Baba, As in a mirror darkly’)

Weirdly enough, the film, which sparked heated debate in the Netherlands, appeared worldwide almost simultaneous to the infamous murders of 4 people in Sai Baba’s quarters, the latter fully unbeknownst to the general public and even longstanding devotees. By then, Chris had long since distanced himself from the organization, both national and international, which he found far too rigid, and led more and more by quite dictatorial national and European regional coordinators, headed by an overly power-hungry Central Committee. Also, from 1985 onwards, he had more and more serious doubts about the alleged avataric quality of Sathya Sai Baba, and his promises. In 1997, he made his last appearance on Dutch TV as a devotee, in a program called ‘There is more between heaven and earth’, after which he distanced himself completely from these activities. It was not until 2010 that his interest re-emerged, quite by chance. Among other things, he started a blog against the man and his movement, feeling an obligation to balance his previous proselytizing, however earnest, by making known his current view on Sathya Sai Baba and his movement, aiding in some small measure to the body of work, done mainly online by whistleblowers and ex-followers, not least many brave young men who testified about sex abuses by Sai Baba.

Among the numerous former devotees who became critics are David Bailey, Barry Pittard, Brian Steel, Eileen Weed  Sergei Badaev, Conny Larsson, and myself.

In his article ‘A Trip down Memory Lane’, Chris Dokter wrote:- “Because of the ever-increasing unavailability of direct contact with Sathya Sai Baba over the previous decades, which was the inevitable result of the sheer increase in numbers of visitors to the ashram and the very limited amount of time the master provided for interaction with them (twice a day for maybe twenty minutes darshan, plus the rare interview, accosted to the ‘happy’ few), large groups of devotees resorted more and more to indirect ‘proof’, whether through prayer, dreams, premonitions, contact with VIP-devotee-clearvoyants like Phyllis Krystal, and other, sometimes all-too-primitive supposed channelers and channeling of the master…Being unavailable is one of the devices cult leaders use in order to gain an ever-increasing aura among their believers, by the way. Especially when their followers are cooped up in primitive dwellings, and are deprived of contact with the outside world their whole day revolves around the master. Not seeing him, not being able to come into close, personal contact with him, makes people anxious, which in turn serves as an incentive to listen to tall tales and boosting the master’s omnipotence through any number of stories heard through the grapevine. It also hides the master quite effectively from any altogether too inquisitive a view from people who are a bit more sceptical.

If a master at all, Sathya Sai Baba certainly was one in this respect! He pulled off the most unlikely feat: not letting himself get caught for the massive fraud, deception and abuse he was involved in during sixty odd years. Instead, he managed to achieve an enormous following and influence the world over, culminating in a state funeral, with full honours, and very few awkward questions asked even after his demise.”
He has posted numerous blogs on his WordPress site entitled ‘Mind your Mind’ Among his most informative blogs he posted are the following:-

Professor Haraldsson’s final verdict on Sathya Sai Baba and his Western critics Chris Dokter presents an overview of Erlendur Haraldsson’s latest up-date of his Sai Baba book on miracles (having no new investigative data) with well-deserved critical comments.

The Sorry Tale of Sathya Sai Baba’s Final Weeks on Earth

The Case of The Missing Death Certificate

Taking a Hard Look at the Facts

Nicolas Maduro: next VIP Sai Disciple who does not lead by Example

God’s Own Stockholm Syndrome

Pray tell: can a dead guru answer prayers?

The Return of the Great Pretender 

On the issue of dealing with sexual abuse

The situation in the early eighties – Prasanthi Nilayam, Puttaparthi

See also The Murders in Sathya Sai’s Bedroom

‘Sathya Sai Baba Als in een Spiegel’

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Warning from Sai Surya

Posted by robertpriddy on May 11, 2018

The following warning from the self-designated virtual mouthpiece of the Muddenahalli gang of the oracle ‘boy’ Sukshma Baba shines forth as an especially vapid example… weaker than diluted water:-

Samastha Loka132 2-5-18 Warning
Sai Ram  We just learned that the period leading up until the end of July 2018 will be extremely critical for world peace. It can go either way. There are no details at the moment.
Any thing can happen.

Then comes the antidote:
“it is time stop watching television, movies, music videos, reading newspapers and magazines, gossiping,chatting on social media AND use these times for chanting. You must take the crises that the whole world is facing as serious. It will affect you wherever you live.
It may be too late when there is no food to eat, when you are in the middle of a hurricane or cyclone, your building is shaking, disease is spreading around you. Anything can happen but why take the chance. Remember that the new age is in the process of being born. Labor pains are to be expected The New Age is wonderful beyond description.”

All empty claims, and some! Chanting as the answer to all world problems is not even hilarious, it is downright moronic. How many people have chanted how much since the world began, and all the problems and threats to security and are much more dire! The best position for chanting is illustrated:-below:-

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Tulasi Srinivas ‘Winged Faith’ reviewed

Posted by robertpriddy on May 6, 2018

Review of “Winged Faith: Rethinking Globalization and Religious Pluralism through the Sathya Sai Movement” (Columbia University Press, 2010).

This book attempts to present what one would expect from a serious researcher, an independent and  balanced view of the matter. In this respect, Srinivas has made a greater attempt to include the sphere of facts and discussions that many other books and articles have avoided. Her book purposely avoids discussion of the true nature of Sai Baba, his pick-and-mix doctrines, vast claims of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence, creator of the universe and much. much more that discredits him in the eyes of any reasonable person who is not brought up within a  Hindu mythological religion and ‘spirituality’ . Nor does she want to investigate the many cultish aspects of his organization, educational institutions and ashrams. She has at least taken up the major issues of some of the infamous murders in Sai Baba’s rooms and allegations of sexual abuse from young men all around the world, if only sketchily. Under typical academic and publishing restraints, however, Srinivas has erred rather on the side of undue caution about these two major crises for Sathya Sai Baba’s reputation and import in spiritual matters. I had an extended communication with her, helping her to penetrate the movement and correcting certain errors she made (though she has still made a number of serious factual blunders). However, she stated her aim with her work to me as follows:-

“I merely intended to note what devotees, ordinary people, and former devotees say about the Movement, Sai Baba himself, and the Organization and what happens within it. So it is much more about representation, perception and dialogue. While “facts” do weave in and out of the narrative, they have to, in my opinion, for validity of some of the representation, my search is much more about strands of knowledge and interpretation, which in most cases, as you know better than I do, is not about proving anything concrete.”

I must remark, however, that the work has a definite tendency towards explaining away conflicts of opinion, especially between those accusing Sai Baba of serious sexual abuse and those who believe it to be an ancient Indian method of sexual healing. She also virtually defends – on the basis of a (convenient) view of spirituality as a wholly private affair – the secrecy and silence of devotees who would not tell her anything she wanted to know and who almost entirely preferred not to speak about the sexual and murder issues. Her subject matter originally came to her through friends who were Sai devotees and she was clearly attracted by the promise of a major spiritual renewal that many people – including myself – thought he represented. She admits of being naive at the outset of her researches in that she did not realize the complex nature of the movement – the cult of secrecy, hierarchy and tensions within it, especially within the institutions – the Sai Organization, the Sai Central Trust and other bodies. Though she has been given much information from Sai movement insiders – including some about me – she failed signally to grasp the pernicious cultic and deceptive nature of Sai Baba and his minions. Though she referred to me and my writings in an acceptable enough manner, she ignored a great deal of the most important facts exposed by me and others I have reported on. She quotes the more reasonable things written, for example, by Ram Das , but leaves out his horrific and extensive justifications of direct sexual abuse by the Avatar for ‘karmic reasons’ etc. This kind of omission is typical of almost all she touched on

Unlike her, I am a dissident who sacrificed nearly two decades of my life to working for Sathya Sai Baba and Co., and – also unlike her – I have gone beyond academic appeasement of conflicting parties and become an activist with a clear duty to refute my former well-intended positive writings Therefore I disregarded the norms of not saying what one knows – common to those with the academic herd mentality of playing very safe – speaking my mind clearly and frankly and not opting for timidity towards one’s academic peers or betters. An amoral attitude under cover of a purely academic observer interest I consider simply morally wrong, as it always involves denial of key subject matter. Note further that, despite Srinivas’ hasty interview in the media rather over-endorsing the man and his movement after his controversial illness and death, Srinivas’ appreciation of the whole history shows itself as entirely out-dated.

Considering the subsequent consignment of Sai Baba as if to Coventry in the world and much of the Indian press, and his ignominious death under suspicious cover-up circumstances  it is now much more a case of ‘Broken Wings and Mistrust’ than ‘Winged Faith’. All the deceptions involving the Central Trust exposed by the Indian media put matters in a far different light to the formerly unchallenged propaganda by his minions when we learned of the later of hoarding of private wealth on a huge scale by Sai Baba when his apartments were opened, the bitter battles over ‘succession’ and the huge wealth involved, the police investigations of the secreting of massive funds from Puttaparthi in vans and buses where members of the supposedly impeccable Trust were involved, and public allegations that the Sai Trust murdered Sathya Sai Baba. Tulasi Srinivas evidently did not make a very serious study of the infamous murders incident in Sathya Sai Baba’s apartment in 1993 (as I have done), though she chose to present her own view of the matter, clearly only a personal and poorly documented opinion based on a narrow segment of the available materials. She did not, however, have access to the testimony of the eyewitness dissident, Eileen Weed, who observed from the apartment of Sai Baba’s elder sister and learned of the whole dirty affair and the massive bribes paid out directly afterwards by Sai Baba.

<span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial;color:#800080for a start, she writes:- “They knifed Mr. Radhakrishnan who was in a room nearby, as well as another close devotee, Mr. Mahajan (who survived) and ran to an inner room and bolted themselves in.” Nothing could be clearer from the documents that Mahajan did NOT survive the attack, so Srinivas made a major and revealing error, one of many similar in her book. Tulias Srinivas does not consider the massed evidence collected by the national award-winning sceptic, Basava Premanand, such as in his very voluminous book ‘Murders in Sai Baba’s Bedroom’, nor his other clarificatory writings. She does not refer to what was revealed to me by V.K. Narasimhan, the editor of Sai Babas’s journal and a very close servitor about the role of Sai Baba’s younger brother (Janakiramiah) in causing and endorsing the police executions, not of his complicity with the then Indian Home Minister (S.B. Chavan) nor take any notice of his frenetic activities in dealing with the issue – frequent flights to Sai Baba to confer with him, as recorded throughout the Indian press in dozens of articles (see some here – India’s Home Minister could not avoid investigation by CBI, but quashed it laterThe quashing of the entire case, after maximum confusion had been created by the involved parties, including Sai Baba himself who was never questioned. Nor does she address Sai Baba’s own inconsistencies and rumour-spreading in his subsequent discourse some weeks later. See also this review:-

Kevin R.D. Shepherd on biased research by academic Tulasi Srinivas

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Asaram Bapu & Sathya Sai Baba – birds of a feather

Posted by robertpriddy on May 4, 2018

This visit to Sathya Sai Baba by Asaram Bapu underlined their mutual endorsement

Asaram Bapu, now finally convicted after years in prison during which witnesses were murdered and victims harassed while the indecisive got nowhere. It is worth noting that Asaram was close to another infamous sexual abuser, namely Sathya Sai Baba, who India’s government declared was a ‘national treasure’ and covered-up all his many crimes, especially countless sexual assaults, which the present government still deny and cover up for reasons best known to themselves. Asaram is shown while visiting Prashanthi Nilayam in 2004 beside Sai Baba, where they gave speeches extolling each other publicly!

This visit to Sathya Sai Baba by Asaram Bapu underlined their mutual endorsement

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Ex-Sai Devotee spoke out about his Sai Baba interview

Posted by robertpriddy on May 3, 2018

ULLRICH   ZIMMERMANN’S   UNDISPUTED  TESTIMONY

A series of film interviews with this young man as partly transcribed below described the excitement of a first interview with Sai Baba which many others have described. Only the private interview in a closed room with him took on a most unwanted aspect.

In three lengthy on-line TV interviews (at the US portal blip.tv.com, since defunct) the former Sai Baba follower, Ullrich Zimmermann, gave a thorough description of his experiences with Sathya Sai Baba. This delivers a major blow to any wishful doubts entertained by the faithful that Sathya Sai Baba practices sex on male devotees.Ullrich’s frank and detailed account of his experiences and his interpretations of them may well be of help to some of the many others who (as he also asserts) have been through similar sexual experiences with Sathya Sai Baba, whether of lesser or greater degree.
There is a transcript of the most revealing part two where he tells of the private interview and Sai Baba’s sexual acts. Then a summary plus partial transcript of part three, where he reflects back on his experiences and the Sathya Sai cult .
The full-length videos were posted by blip.tv but are no longer available there (see wayback machine scans Part One (introductory) – Part Two (the main account of sex etc.) – Part Three (reflections). The image below is copied from blip.tv’s web site .
Both his common sense and his more esoteric musings may well be helpful. He raises the question whether this oral sex was sexual abuse or a ‘divine blessing’, and – when this interview was made all of seven years ago, he did not then regard it as sexual abuse. However, the factual description he gave was of oral sex imposed on him virtually against his will and in his very first meeting with Sai Baba who he believed and trusted in fully as being God. Those of similar faith – such as his mother also was – tend to accept the idea that it was a divine blessing (unless – as most do – they deny it can ever take place). Many other young men from across the world have already independently testified to the same kind of sexual abuses by Sathya Sai Baba through many years (see under ‘Witnesses’ on ExBaba.com). None of them stated they regard the sexual acts as a ‘divine blessing’.Whatever ‘spiritual’ interpretations some devotees may choose to apply here, ExBaba’s campaign to show that Sai Baba does indeed have sexual relations with young men is yet again vindicated. In the interests of truth and the protection of the innocent, former devotees and others around the world have worked – against cover-up and many obstacles – to expose the truth about Sai Baba’s most widely alleged molesting of young males.

Ullrich’s natural honesty is unmistakable as he tells of his whole Sai Baba experience – including the difficult and sensitive subject of oral sex. He, like others who have come forward, cannot be praised sufficiently for his bravery and adherence to truth and decency. As his interviewer says, these revelations will come as a major shock to those Sai devotees who watch the video, not least because of the openness and entirely unassuming character of Ullrich in his self-evaluations and his fearless answers to questions put to him.
Ullrich Zimmermann points out that there is a big difference between a ‘guru’ and a ‘teacher’ – where gurus disempower their followers and rob them of freedom, teachers (as to spirituality) always leave those who seek their advice to make up their own minds and achieve their own way in life. Ullrich followed Sai Baba as a guru, but is now very clear that he no longer wants Sai Baba or any other guru, even though there may have been some temporary benefits from such devotion.

In the first part of this series, Ullrich Zimmermann tells how he came to Sathya Sai Baba and got his first interview. This is of more interest to those who have not been to the ashram. For those who have direct experience of Sathya Sai Baba through personal contact, devotion or in trying to practice his teachings, the first interview will seem too drawn out (playing time up to 1 hour). Ullrich gives a detailed description of how he – and many others no doubt – feel and experience visiting thge ashrams and Sai Baba so as to bring out the way in which – as a keen devotee – he was already largely indoctrinated already, and in a state of nervous expectation etc. He also shows how easily he then believed many things – was indoctrinated like most other devotees – before he even met Sai Baba. However, the conclusions he arrived at – some considerable time after his two sexual contacts – shows a quite other and much more critical perspective (stated in Part Three) .
In Part Two of the series (playing time over 30 mins), Ullrich tells – with a very natural frankness and believability – of his first experiences with Sai Baba in the inner interview room in which he was induced to engage in oral sex (fellatio) on Sai Baba on two occasions, though he was never gay and says he had always felt the idea of being forced into gay sex “the ultimate horror”. Ullrich says he did not feel sexually abused because he had total faith in Sai Baba (as God Incarnate) and trusted he would always do what was best for him. So he went along with the ‘wishes he couldn’t refuse’. Whether this was a ‘divine blessing’ or merely sexual abuse for Sai Baba’s own satisfaction is for readers and the world at large to judge. Ullrich attributes the uplift of spirits some time after it was over to some kind of Tantric energy transmission. However, other explanations do come easily to mind – such as the release of great psychological tensions engendered throughout and the well-known ‘divine salvation’ enthusiasm and the ensuing ‘spiritual honeymoon’ effect, which Sai followers get after achieving an interview so much yearned for and for so long (but which is a temporary phase, as Ullrich honestly tells, lasting only for some weeks in his case).

Not surprisingly, Ullrich was often visibly uncomfortable while relating about this with hesitations and pauses – and some confusion still as to how to understand it all. However, he also seems quite convinced about it having had a spiritual aspect. It is noteworthy that Ullrich tells how the second time Sai Baba got him to suck his penis, he stopped after a short while because he felt too awkward. While withdrawing he noticed some sudden light effect coming from Sai Baba’s penis. This seems to be a main reason why Ullrich believes there was some kind of Tantric transfer involved. The matter remains impenetrable, for it could also have been caused by the tension created by the nervously anticipated awkward situation, affecting his eyes, or possibly having some other psycho-physical cause.

Since the live video interview is very long, transcripts of portions of some of Ullrich’s statements – which are particularly important from the viewpoint of the exposé of Sai Baba’s secret and controversial doings – are given here verbatim, and without comments. They are taken out of the tediously long and involved context, which is nevertheless important for better understanding his standpoint in those interviews, (a full transcript may be added here later). He claims that his relation to Sai Baba brought about a change in somehow ‘opening up’ his personality. In some contrast to this assertion, he also says that it did not make him more genuinely spiritually liberated or give any ‘God-realisation’. He no longer believes Sai Baba can do this. Ullrich’s views may well have changed since he made the recording in 2000.
 Ullrich Zimmermann (speaking about Sai Baba in the private interview room):

“So when he says that ‘always thinking about girls’ and I know and I don’t want to… … he says “Oh. Don’t worry” … … and he materialises an oil and he lifts up my T-shirt and he puts that here.” (he describes the places as “on the kundalini line”).Then he kissed me on my mouth…
“It was awkward… and it was also not disgusting.”

“He is looking at me and I know – knew – in my mind that he wanted me to suck his penis.” “and he took my hand… … to his genitals and it felt through the robe like a female with hair – there was no penis and he took my hand again and it was the male and ‘Suck finger, suck male’…”

So he pushes me down, lifts up his robe…” “His penis is… ….like from a child, no hair, small.” “And I took his penis in my mouth… …it was erect…. I had it in my mouth for a while and it was not like doing bliss, it was not like doing a big job or so – at least there was some movement but it was not like a big sexual act or so, and I didn’t feel ejaculation in my mouth… can’t give the time to the minute, maybe one and a half…”

Asked by his interviewer whether Sai Baba ejaculated, Ullrich replied: “I didn’t feel that in my mouth. If you had asked me then I would have said ‘no’ but… I think he did.” “… really very quick. Robe up and the interview was over.”
Interviewer: “Well, did you tell anyone about this, your mother?”
Ullrich: Yes. I did. .. I was in the taxi back to Bangalore… she had also heard rumours and asked me what happened but she saw me in this happy state and so I told her.. I mean she didn’t experience… view that as abuse at all. She’s a Sai Baba follower and she trusts. And of course, having such an experience I wanted to have answers. After that, talking to other people who are living in the ashram and who are there for years with my knowledge and know about these things to happen anyway – it’s happening on a really big scale.”

Interviewer: I mean, it happens every day with some – or – he has a lot of followers so he’s always doing interviews and…
Ullrich: Yeah, but I only say my experience and that is I know – I know one person in eye-to-eye who has had that happen to him, also a young German, and I talked to another person who knew a lot of other people – I mean, I talked to a lot of people…
Interviewer: But they also thought it was a good experience, or some of them were angry?
Ullrich: They were not in anger. I mean, they’re still there. (editor’s note: i.e. in year 2000) They are just confused and for some of them it presses the button more than others but for me the bottom line was what I got, it is white Tantra.

See the comments on how the news of such things affected the followers in UK in 2000 after the David Bailey news first broke there as written by the former President of the UK Organization and Central Coordinator for UK and Ireland.

Click here for a full-length analysis and comments on the above revelations

PART 3 – SUMMARY-CUM-TRANSCRIPT OF THE INTERVIEW WITH ULLRICH ZIMMERMANN

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Editor’s note: So that Ullrich’s words come across as clearly as possible, the text is partly summarized to exclude asides, verbal stumbles and some awkward phrasing in English etc., but with all his important statements reproduced verbatim within apostrophes.

Ullrich speaks firstly about the search for solutions to his spiritual desire, having known all the time that “it is something in me and not something delivered by the Church and the standard settings.”
Having rejected Sai Baba as a guru (already 7 years ago) he says that he knows “the difference between a truthful teacher and guru… The useful energy I had when I started my path, for example with Sathya Sai Baba… being lifted up but being only lifted up… and then from my sincere perspective on what is happening down there… to be empowered to empower him.”
Ullrich speaks about playing one’s part as a devotee, which requires “total focus on his person” which involves obtaining some power from him and being changed as Ullrich reports he was but, as he then says: “I also know… I was hooked with Sai baba, there was no freedom whatsoever, there was no acknowledgment of me – (no) giving the knowledge that I am actually God… that everything that is coming out of me I can generate.” Sai Baba “in no way delivered how you can actually implement that in your life.”

“What I wanted was a true spiritual change, otherwise I would never have done that. That was the reason I went there, that was the reason I had the physical experience with him I did have. And there was a change but it was, for me, confusing.”
Ullrich thought that: “If he has an interest in you, if you are a potential powerful battery… then you will get something, o.k.? But you won’t get what you are going for… your major craving for God.”
Ullrich believes instead: “You can only do it yourself, by hard work, by being impeccable in every life situation. And you can do that within the Sai Baba setting and some people do that, but you are always utterly connected to Sai Baba.”
Ullrich insists that it is “not about getting personal liberation… it is about you being part of an energy game, being abused – however you put it – for me, because I really don’t know what Sai Baba is, but he is certainly not somebody who comes from his heart. He’s somebody who is coming from a power, and it is all about power. It is not about you being really empowered, it is about you being empowered to be a powerful feeder.”
Therefore, Ullrich says: “You in your everyday life are the creator of your own reality… …ninety-nine per cent that has to come from me. I made this video … to make clear that you don’t gain that inner spiritual connection with Sai Baba – or any guru for that matter.”
Ullrich says he doesn’t believe that Sai Baba was so low as to do the sex only for his own satisfaction. Alan Steinfeld comments:”He could still be that low”. Ullrich says “O.K., well, maybe he is, but that is not my conception of it.” Then also “It’s all about power and I do see that very, very clearly.”
Ullrich reports that his spiritual teacher (Ramtha) told him twice, “You will teach Sai Baba a lesson.” Ullrich continues: “I do this interview now because I think it might help people… it is probably a way to teach Sai Baba a lesson.”
“Also, the people I know who are really followers… these are powerless people” and he holds that to keep them powerless as Sai Baba does is “to have one’s own agenda, to have an ulterior motive, not truthful.”
Ullrich: “Yes. My understanding of how energy works… a very powerful thing he set forth there. I haven’t been there for eight years or something but I talk to people who were there and they say he is getting more and more tired – having no joy in doing it, I experienced this too when I was there.”

Ullrich also saw “he had nothing to help all these people. Even though Sai Baba picks out people… it is because they are for his agenda. That is also his undoing in himself. I feel sorry for him”Alan Steinfeld: Well, what you’re saying then… even though you can materialize, appear in people… miracles, it doesn’t mean you’re spiritually evolved?”

Ullrich: “It’s just black magic, O.K.? That’s just knowledge about certain laws, the ability to gain them. And that’s very common in India, there are really unevolved beings that have a certain ability of defying what we consider to be firm, physical laws. And these physical laws are shattered, the threshold from Newton’s physics to quantum physics… if you go deeper into any subject.Summing up, Ullrich says of Sai Baba: “That is not a spiritual path… claiming to be a spiritual leader I would assume he is getting a good livelihood. He helps lots of people but there’s an agenda with it. They’re waiting to be taken out, and they’re really good people, people with integrity (Alan comments:’Sincere seekers!’). It’s like people waiting for the end of the world and thinking you will be picked up by an UFO.”

Note that the International Chairman of the Sathya Sai Organization, Dr. M. Goldstein (see ‘The Secret Swami’), denied that any sexual incidents with Sai Baba had ever taken place. This denial was again seen for what it was, a sheer and – for a doctor pretending expertise in sexual abuse – a despicable cover-up of facts. There is full proof that these abuses were known to Goldstein and many other top leaders, not least from Dr. Hislop, whose infamous circular letters to US organization leaders tried to cover up the same kind of allegations in the early 1980s. Dr. G. Venkarataman, the second-in-command of the cover-up by the Prashanthi Council whose closeness to Sai Baba and position of authority gave him every opportunity to check out the facts about Sai Baba’s large-scale homosexual activities that Ullrich [and others] say were well-known to many ashram residents.

In 2001, Prashant Kumar acting for Hari Sampath brought a petition up in the Supreme Court entitled ‘Formal Criminal complaint against Sathya Sai Baba’ (http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/9/CBI-case-Sampath.html) The judge gave the petitioner lawyer the run around, repeatedly told the lawyers to take it to the Andhra High Court. The Judge in the AP court was a devotee and former driver of Sai Bab, which meant it would get nowhere. Judge Lahot dismissed the petition. The Supreme Court wilfully destroyed the document (to avoid foreign embassies from obtaining the proof)  yet a genuine copy was retrieved from the defence attorney, famous lawyer Kamini Jaiswal (see http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/14/court.html)

That Sai Baba escaped conviction was due to the impossibility of charging him formally elsewhere than in India, and there he has virtual control of the High Court of Andhra Pradesh and the Supreme Court of India through his devotees who presided over them (led by The former Chief Justice of India, P.N. Bhagwati who was a long-standing worshipper of Baba and a Board member of his Central Trust), fully backed by the Indian PM, President and Home Minister, all his devotes! His totally unaccountable Sathya Sai Organization could not be sued in the US, not being registered as an organization (instead it uses a bookshop as a front for its activities).

 See a clip from the BBC film ‘The Secret Swami’ where another young man tells much the same https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l7CtTLzU34&feature=share

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