Sathya Sai Baba Deceptions Exposed

Exposing major deceits by guru Sathya Sai Baba in India, incl. murders cover-up & widely alleged sexual abuse

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Sathya Sai Baba dared not sue ‘Sunday People’ newspaper

Posted by robertpriddy on June 17, 2010

Since the exposure of Sathya Sai Baba took off in 2000, all British newspapers – as well as the BBC – have taken a united stand against Sathya Sai Baba, not least because of the common knowledge that he and his minions tried hard to ensnare Prince Charles, despite the god-guru having denounced them in a private interview (see here).

Had Sathya Sai Baba been innocent of the many allegations against him, it would have been easy for him or his organization to sue the forthright report in the UK newspaper, Sunday People, on grounds of libel, which is a simpler process in UK than in most other Western democracies. Of course, no litigation of any kind has ever been initiated against any of the world-wide reports of his activities, though threats have been made now and again (which proved empty). Seeing the enormous funds he rules over, the public can only draw the conclusion that he and his followers know well that he would lose any such court case. There are numerous sworn testimonies on sexual abuse in safe keeping in the event of any such attempt to attack his critics, who have kept the revelations about him and his countless deceptions alive on the Internet for the past decade. Sathya Sai Baba is protected by the Indian Government and judiciary against any lawsuit in India, since – an amazing fact in itself – the past several Presidents and Prime Ministers of India have been his feet-worshipping devotees!
Here is the Sunday People article:-

UK newspaper Sunday People on Sathya Sai Baba
Paedophile Guru in bid to snare Charles Sunday People U.K. – March 12, 2001

MI6 are probing bizarre sect’s link with the Royals

A PERVERT guru who believes he can sexually abuse young boys because he is GOD has tried to lure Prince Charles into his sinister religious sect. He has enlisted some of the Prince’s closest associates in his move – and the future King has admitted he has considered meeting the swami. Yet we can reveal the FBI and police forces round the world and even a senior UN organisation are already investigating millionaire mystic Sai Baba over scores of alleged sex and other crimes. Now MI6 are probing his bizarre movement’s links with Buckingham Palace.

Pot-bellied

For, the Sunday People can reveal, he planned to increase his worldwide influence by converting Charles into one of his millions of followers. The tiny pot-bellied holy man – who wears orange frocks and sports a 70s-style Afro hairdo – enlisted the help of one of the prince’s most-trusted advisors. He hoped that architect Professor Keith Critchlow would be able to persuade Charles to visit his temple, or “ashram”, in southern India.

Amazingly, we have obtained a copy of a letter which Charles wrote to another of Baba’s high-powered disciples within royal circles. In it, he says: “Keith (Critchlow) has often told me about Sai Baba and the effect he has had on many people and it is wonderful to know of the difference he has made to your life. “Perhaps I will be able to meet him one day when the time is right.”

The letter is signed: “Yours most sincerely, Charles.”

At the time, the prince was unaware that Sai Baba was being investigated for sex crimes. Nor did he know that there were also allegations of fraud and widespread financial corruption. UNESCO has also withdrawn support for a conference they were going to co-organise with Sai Baba. And the Foreign Office is now warning British travellers to India to be wary of the group. A senior legal figure linked to Sai Baba’s victims discovered the guru’s plan to target the prince and alerted M16. Sai Baba, the son of a humble peasant farmer, has a massive worldwide following, including at least 40,000 supporters in the UK.

Millions of families with children flock to his luxurious temple, near Bangalore in southern India, to pay homage. But to gain respectability for his movement, Sai Baba has deliberately set out to target showbiz stars, leading politicians, and royals as VIP supporters. Among them is 70-year-old Animal Hospital presenter and children’s favourite Rolf Harris. He claimed the guru’s teachings had transformed his life and played his famous didgeridoo on a fund-raising CD of mystic chants. Another disciple is British blues singer Dana Gillespie. But Sai Baba’s biggest dream was to ensnare a member of the British Royal Family.

Concert pianist David Bailey, who got involved with the movement during the early 90s, told how he and Prof Critchlow held several meetings in India with the guru. And one time Critchlow asked him: “Isn’t it time for me to bring Prince Charles out to see you?”

Bailey said: “The organisation loved to get celebrities in the fold. They were invited to Baba’s birthday parties.   “At the time I was completely besotted and like other devotees thought I’d win brownie points by recruiting influential people.”

Brainwashing

Bailey even tried to “hook” Prince Andrew and Fergie before their marriage broke up. He said: “I had been asked to organise an evening of music at their home and, to put it bluntly, planned to start brainwashing them. “But the evening was cancelled at the last minute.” Fergie did later pay Sai Baba a private visit in 1997 on the recommendation of a stress counsellor following her marriage break-up. The guru likes to amaze followers by passing off cheap conjuring tricks as “miracles” and producing watches and jewellery out of thin air. And he astonished Fergie by making the bangle appear apparently from nowhere.

Bailey finally turned his back on the sect after learning the disgusting truth about Sai Baba’s sexual perversions. He has spent the last two years exposing the bogus holy man, who likes to rub oil into boys’ genitals claiming it helps release their sexual tension. Bailey, who once worked as a music teacher at the Indian temple, explained: “To my horror, I found out he was a homosexual paedophile.” Now every attempt is being made to ensure Sai Baba is kept away from Charles and other royals.


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Convincing 1’st hand sex abuse testimony by young man

Posted by robertpriddy on June 1, 2010

Author: Said (Afshin) Khorramshahgol

Email: shagols@itdc.koreanair.com Tue May 27 09:45:33 1997

Publisher: The NEURAL SURFER

Hello Professor Lane, as we had talked, I am giving you a thorough account of my experiences with Sai Baba. I hope that this will be of interest to people and will help them to understand what Baba is all about. Thank you for giving me the chance to write this essay.

I first got to know of Sai Baba in 1985 or 1986 through my brother. His friend had given him a book on Sai Baba which had a picture of Baba on the cover. I asked my brother who this person is and he explained to me what he so far knew about him. Being born a Moslem I rejected Baba from the very beginning because I couldn’t believe that another person – another human form if you want to be philosophical about it – could be God.

It wasn’t until 1990 or 1991 that I started to believe in Baba. At that time in my life I was very confused about life and the purpose of my existence. Many unanswered questions were in my mind and I was very confused and unhappy. Having heard of the “miracles” of Sai Baba through my brother who WAS A DEVOTEE OF SAI BABA, I thought to myself that if Baba can do such miracles, then he must know more about life, the world, the purpose of life, etc. I then started taking Sai Baba seriously. I started reading about him and also his teachings. Now that I look back, in all my confusion and mental torment, I was so desperate to believe in some philosophy that I jumped to believe in Baba and his philosophy. Also, I came to believe that Sai Baba is God by reasoning that he MUST BE A HOLY PERSON, and so he couldn’t lie. If he can’t tell a lie, then he is God because he says so. When I came to this conclusion, I felt as though I was in heaven. Could you imagine a day when God or a Messenger of God comes to earth and you get to be with him, close to him, see him, talk to him, etc? Could you imagine being next to the Messenger of God and believe full heartedly that He will save you? Could there be a better situation and feeling? That is how I felt and that’s how people feel when they first come to Sai Baba or any other person who says they are a Messenger or are divine or are in contact with God. At the beginning of my following Baba, I felt in seven heaven for months. I couldn’t get enough of looking at his pictures, meditating, reading his teachings and living life in accordance with his teachings, etc. I was totally being absorbed by him and his philosophy. Looking at other Sai devotees – followers – I found out that this is true for all devotees, that all who come to Baba, are in ecstasy first few months and later become very mentally distressed individuals. I am sure the current Sai devotees would dispute this but I have seen it over and over again. When I was feeling mentally distressed for reasons that I will soon explain, I would tell anyone and everyone that meeting Sai Baba was the best thing that happened to me and that I had never been happier. It wasn’t until much after that I realized that I was fooling myself to the point that I totally ignored and thought that there was no pain. Upon my studies on psychology, I realized that humans tend to do that. They tend to pretend something is true, to the point that it looks more and more as reality to them while others can see those short comings in them. I have seen many short comings in Sai devotees which they claim are not there.

So, I was very happy to have come to know of Sai Baba, of God. I put his teachings into practice fully. Slowly, I started to wear out. Baba’s teachings are very hard and I couldn’t keep up with them. For example it was hard to try to remember God at all times, especially when you have to concentrate on your daily tasks and God at the same time. I started feeling guilty for not being able to live up to Baba’s teachings and I would tell myself that I should be ashamed of myself for not doing what God wants me to do. Who or what kind of person gets to know God first hand and have the good chance to know him, while many billions of people don’t know him, and still not follow his teachings? I was failing on many instances, such as remembering God, being celibate, not listening to the desires of the body, the senses, the mind, etc. I had a very hard time remembering God and not falling to temptations. I was 19 or 20 and my hormones were exploding. Everytime I met Baba, he would tell me to control my sexuality and so on and I wasn’t able to. When the hormones were going full swing I would try to ignore my “bad” thoughts by trying to remember God. 99.99999% of time I would fail. I would play with myself – I didn’t have any girlfriends or even girls as friends with whom I could possibly start a relationship; having girls around could arise temptations and would be very bad for spirituality, so I thought. So, I would play with myself and when doing so I would feel very guilty and when finished I would feel a thousand times more guilty. I would scorn myself to many things like being disobedient to God, not having enough faith, not having enough will power, not loving God – Sai Baba – full heartedly, etc. You might be asking me why I am emphasizing guilt. As a result of all of this I became very depressed and also I had a lot of paranoia. I came to the point that from the pain, my chest felt like had opened and I could feel every cell in my chest blowing from the pain as if they were boiling water. At the same time I was very paranoid about things. After years of telling myself that I was stupid and not good enough, I had somehow come to the belief that I was crazy. I would interpret every sentence ten different ways.

And I was very confused as to which of the ten was the right meaning.

Can you imagine thinking you are crazy and interpret things as such? Could you imagine doubting every single thought you have? Could you imagine thinking to yourself if your understanding of every single thing is correct? It gives such pain that I cannot explain, and I am not only making it big, but since you haven’t felt it, it is small. I had to choose between the face value and the ten other meanings which I had come up with. And what did Baba do or how did Baba direct me at my times of need? Well, in all my interviews he would scorn me for not being strong enough, he would tell me to just do, never try, just do. He told me that I was very weak. If he knew anything about my situation, he would tell me something to bring my spirits up, instead of daring to tell me things to further break me down. When he told me I was weak, I would be harder on myself when I fell again. I would tell horrible things to myself, such things as “It is no wonder you are stupid…”, “Baba has read you nicely, you are so stupid.”, etc. This kind of self-bashing had become a trend of thought which I still fight.

The simplest thing Baba could do was to tell me to not feel guilty. But instead he was satisfying his own DESIRES in the private interviews with me.

As a result of all this depression and paranoia, I slowly got away from practicing the teachings of Sai Baba. Everytime I would try to do what he said, I would feel more depressed and paranoid. Of course, it was very hard to do so, as I still believed in the divinity of Baba and his teachings. What gave me a real push was a movie which my brother – another brother who is a non-devotee of Baba – gave me regarding Sai Baba. The movie was filmed by a Korean research group which visited Baba. They caught him cheating on the “materialization” of a necklace.

The picture was so clear and it sent me into shock. However, it took me over six months to come to deal with the movie. During this six months, everytime a thought of the movie came to my mind I would push it away and destroy it as was a trend of my mind by then. All “negative” thoughts or thoughts that are obstacles to my “faith” were to be destroyed immediately and replaced with “good” thoughts. So, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the movie showed, I had a hard time dealing with it until over six months later. Any thought that Baba might be cheating or might not be God made my stomach so very much upset and my mind so very disturbed. But eventually I had to deal with the problem. When I had finally dealt with the movie, then it was time to look for any reasons which Baba would do such a thing. This had also become a trend of mind, which is very much prevalent within the Sai devotees. In any situation, Sai devotees, would start to logic by saying “Baba is God, therefore he is fully pure”. Then all else was put into perspective based on that. After a while this sentence is passed and you make all decisions based on this sentence subconsciously. I made up some reasons as to why Baba would cheat on that particular materialization. Of course, I thought that Baba was cheating on that particular materialization. Another idea which is very prevalent within Sai devotees is that if something goes wrong regarding anything is a result of Baba’s will. He wanted it to happen so and it most probably is a test of faith. But then if that is the case, then what would justify a problem and what is a test of faith? I had to deal with this question also. I am sorry for taking you through so many ideas but I am purposely doing so to show you the level of mind control which is imposed on EVERY Sai devotee. How can such thinking be anything spiritual? Of course, to every Sai devotee, this is the way to Salvation since they are in the middle of it and they have full faith in the teachings which bring about such thoughts and mind control. I was going through so much mental decision-making and you would be surprised why I would do such a thing in the face of so many other experiences which I had with Baba. I will explain those experiences now.

I visited Sai Baba three times, on three straight summers. Once I stayed there one and half months, another time I stayed two and half months and the last time I was there for three and half. My first two trips I had seven interviews and a total of seven private interviews, with just me and Baba in the private interview room. Baba had materialized a gold ring with three stones which he told me were diamonds. The ring did not fit the finger on which Baba had placed it but I left it there regardless, as that was the finger Baba had chosen to put it on. Here I would like to mention that of the four rings which Baba has “materialized” for my family and myself, none of them fit correctly. In all the books regarding the “miracles” of Sai Baba, you will read that ALL such rings fit the person perfectly. I have never read a book were it was told that almost all rings fit perfectly. And also, later I found out that the stones were not diamonds. The stones after a while got black and two of the three fell out. I took this to mean that Baba is angry at me for not being good, for not practicing his teachings as well as I COULD, for trying and not doing.

Another thing that was interesting was that Baba would not be able to tell things correctly. In one instance I was told by him that the night before I had fever. I didn’t, neither was I in any kind of heat. Perhaps he wanted me to, but I wasn’t. I just let it go, destroyed it right there and then, that very instant. No doubts were allowed.

In my first private interview, Baba did a ceremony which is supposed to be sacred in Hinduism and is done to all the followers by their gurus. This practice involves the guru putting oil on his hand and pushing his hand upward between the front testicle and the back area. That area is supposed to be a special area which is very important to spiritual practice of the devotee. This action is supposed to awaken this area, which is supposedly full of energy, which will then play an important role in the thought of the devotees. In my case, it was more of the opposite and my thoughts were never changed for the better. I was getting worst as time passed.

In every private interview after that Baba would ask me to put down my pants while he massaged my testicle. I would reason that Baba perhaps is passing some energy to that area. Perhaps I had damaged that area or something in that area by playing with myself. I had found reasons in order to destroy any doubts that might come to mind. In one occasion, Baba was not just massaging it, he was trying to give me a hard on. The thought that he is doing so came to my mind then, but of course I destroyed it. Now, as an ex-devotee, I am able to see and think about what he was doing, rather than destroy it. At this interview, as he was pushing his hand back and forth on my testicle, I was telling him about many different things on my mind. Of course, I was so sure that he is doing the best thing for me that I was thinking of something else. I was telling him about the problems in my country of Iran, how the people are suffering, the problems of my family and my own problems. He couldn’t get me hard so all of a sudden with anger and an angry face he threw my thing up against my stomach and with an angry face he turned his back to me. I thought he is probably angry at me because I should have more faith in him, he already knows all my problems, everything in my mind, and he will help me in whatever way he can. Actually, he was angry that I didn’t get hard and so when he turned towards me he told me to put my pants up again. This was the only occasion which he kept some distance between me and him while he was playing with me. Every other time, he would hug me and do it. My question to those who believe that Baba’s intentions in playing with me was pure is that if Baba says not a blade of grass moves without his will, then why does he have to touch me in that way to perform whatever pure intention or will he had in mind? Or is it that when he was playing with me, he was being good to me by giving me the privilege of being close to him and interact with him? For those who are not following, Sai followers believe that Baba knows all our inner thoughts and the reason why he talks to us is because he is trying to talk to us for our own enjoyment. He really doesn’t have to talk at all or ask us questions regarding our lives since he is the All-knowing. He does so for our sake, so that we can talk to him and interact with him. Could it be that Sai Baba was playing with me in order to satisfy my needs to interact with him? And what kind of satisfaction did he – or do you – think I would get from that kind of interaction?

In almost all of such interviews, Baba would breathe harder and sometimes he would make noises too. Something I forgot to tell you about the private interview above was that while I was telling Baba about these problems, his face was getting uneasy while he constantly, the whole time was looking down at my testicle. His eyebrows got twisted and his face got more and more upset as he was trying to play with me. I wonder why? He sometimes would tell me that I was weak there, there was too much being wasted from there, etc. Why then did he touch it? Was he fixing things? Why did he have to fix things by touching and rubbing and going back and forth?

In one interview, he stood up while I was kneeling on my knees. With his right hand, he took my head and put it against his stomach. With his left hand he took my right hand and put it against his testicle. He rubbed my hand there for a short while and this time he was making loud noises of… I tried to look up to his face to see it, but he pushed my head hard against his stomach and did not allow me to look up. So, I didn’t try again. While he took my hand there, I felt his testicle, although I didn’t grab it, I just let him direct my hand and do whatever he wants. At the same time, I would touch him by the outside part of my hand. As I said before, he was making loud voices while he was doing that. This took about two minutes before he let go of me and my hand and said “This is God”!!! Whatever!!! It was his way of putting a controlled mind to think and find many answers to what that whole situation was all about. It was his way of covering the sick idea of having me touch him, and also covering his loud, wild voices. Anyhow, those of you who have a clear and logical mind understand me.

I had these experiences and still it took me over six months to deal with the movie that I mentioned before. After dealing with this movie, I went to look over some of the movies which we had about Baba. These movies are movies which are prevalent within Sai devotees. The very first movie which I watched is called “God lives in India”. In that movie they showed about four or five instances which Baba cheats the “materialization” of ash – ash is supposedly holy and is supposedly being created by Baba from thin air. One of these instances is a very close, clear shot which shows Baba take something with his right hand from underneath of some letters in his left hand while bending over a bit to talk to someone. He then takes the letters by his right hand and cleans his left hand. Then he takes the letters from the right hand and immediately starts to motion his right hand in circular motion which is a “sign” that he is going to create something out of thin air. This shot is a close-up and very clear. After seeing this first movie, I knew the truth and didn’t watch any other movies. I am sure if the other movies have segments that show Baba’s actions twenty seconds prior to each “creation” of ash or whatever, you can see him cheating.

More recently, there was a movie on cable TV here in the US which showed Baba CHEAT on materialization of a ring or necklace, I don’t remember. There was much argument about it on the internet newsgroups. Bon Giovanni, a Sai devotee, defended his opinion of what the movie showed by saying each person saw a different thing. What everyone, including Bon agree on is that Baba does some weird thing with his hand under a plate before he brings down his hand and starts to circle his hand. Sai devotees have their own way of thinking and so their own reasons and answers. It will be impossible to convince these people on anything. The more you use your reasons to find something or some way to prove your points, the more they will use their twisted reasoning to counter attack your ideas. Their counter attack is 99% illogical since they are used to twisting things around. Besides what good is a logical path which starts with “Baba is God…”? Baba is God, therefore, he couldn’t have cheated on that movie, therefore, everyone sees a different thing when they see that movie. They don’t think that what kind of motion is Baba making? Why is he making that motion? Why is he making it under the plate? Why the need of that motion? Etc.

So, I am looking forward to getting a lot of illogical responses to this essay. I welcome them and look forward to disproving any illogical ideas. I hope that their responses and my replies will give all of you a hint of how brainwashed the Sai devotees are and what a sorry state of mind they have. Hopefully, those Sai devotees who still have some reason left can benefit substantially from this and can overcome all mind control tricks that have been imposed on them. And, hopefully, all those who are considering Sai Baba, would have the luck to see these postings and can benefit from them too. I really hope so.

I would like to give an example of how illogical Sai devotees can be.

The following are excerpts from

http://psg.com/~ted/bcskeptics/sbmir/db-book.html.

It’s a great site at getting some information on Sai Baba’s real personality. This is a quotation from John Hislop’s book on Sai Baba. He was one of Sai Baba’s closest followers and passed on a few years ago, still a devotee. You will find the following amusing.

“We can get a sense of Sai Baba’s diagnostic `ability’ from the following account which happened to John Hislop.

110 – Sai Baba’s Misdiagnosis of John Hislop’s Medical Condition:

‘While asleep in Brindavan in the month of October, 1978, without any prior warning to me, the prostate suddenly closed off the urethra. What happened then was agonizing, but nevertheless most comical. When Baba came down from his apartment, about 8 a.m., I told him that the urethra was closed and that already the bladder was very swollen. He smiled, said not to worry, and gave me vibhuti [“holy” ash]. About 11 a.m., he returned from inspecting some new construction and as he came to the veranda, both Dr. Goldstein and I approached him saying that my condition seemed to be serious. Baba came up to me, looked in my eyes, patted me on the head and said not to worry, it was just the heat. Then at 4 p.m., when Baba usually came down after rest, I did not wait, but sent a note upstairs that the situation was steadily getting worse and that now severe pains were moving back and forth throughout my body.

Baba came down immediately. In the group of devotees waiting for him, there were, as usual, several physicians, including Dr. Goldstein from California. Without any discussion, Baba told the doctors to take me at once to the hospital and operate if necessary.

Now the comedy quickened. We got into several cars and went to Baba’s hospital for women in Whitefield. The Medical Officer-in-Charge, Dr. Mrs. C. Rajeswari, made an examination room available, and the assembled doctors tried some 20 or more times to insert various sizes of catheters into the bladder, but with total failure.

By now I was in agony, although I bit my tongue and kept silent. It was the immediate decision of the doctors that an emergency opening would have to be made through the wall of the abdomen…

At Bangalore, the job was botched by the resident surgeons; heavy infection set in, and in three days Baba ordered me back to Brindavan…Baba arranged for the operation at the Whitefield hospital…The care was magnificent…The entire inside of my abdominal cavity was filled with virulent infection, and the tissues were so rotted that standard operating procedures could not be used…

Why the big comedy in the whole affair? It took me some time to figure it out…Why the deadly complications at the Bangalore hospital?…Finally, at the time of another visit, I told Baba that I had figured the matter out. My conclusion was that I had come to the end of my natural life, Baba had let me go down to the final step, and at the last moment, he had reversed my natural death by giving me rebirth.

Baba smiled and confirmed that what I said was true; he had given me new life. After returning home to Mexico in January, some continuing complications arose which took me into a Mexican hospital and then an American hospital. Baba sent word to not worry, that these were just rebirth pains.'[!?!?!?!??!?!]

John Hislop, My Baba & I, pp. 49-51.”

I have always enjoyed reading this passage and still do enjoy it. Great comedy indeed!

One thing that I forgot to say is that on my last trip to India, there were about 20 American and Indian American college students which came to attend Baba’s summer classes which mainly concentrate on spirituality. Some of these students considered themselves devotees, others had come to see and judge Baba for themselves. In an interview Baba “materialized” a ring or something else for either all of those students or majority of them. At least half of those students say that they saw Baba CHEAT. They reported that they saw Baba take and put things from the sides or back – I don’t remember which one they said – of the chair that he was seating on. When I say the sides or the back I mean the sides of the cushion of the chair or the backside of the cushion. These students were firm in what they saw. After this interview, some four days later, Baba was out giving darshan – walking around, sometimes stopping to talk to some individuals, sometimes choosing individuals or groups of individuals for an interview. He stopped in front of the American students which were sitting in an area that was designated to them. He made the circular motion, and supposedly created some ash and threw it on one of the student’s face.

During this time, his back was to me. When he turned around I saw his face was very angry. He was pissed! As usual, as you know why, I didn’t give importance to this. Later, one of the boys in the American group, with whom I had become very close told me that this student who was thrown ash to face and eyes was very vocal about what they had seen in the interview room, namely, Baba taking things from the chair on which he sat on. Now, if Baba’s life is his message as he says so, then is it right that we act in this way when someone criticizes us? I am sure I’ll get a few reasons as to why Baba did such a thing. Or at best, I might get something like Baba’s intentions are not known to us and that I can’t say why he did that. I’ll be looking forward to reading the reasons.

I welcome all comments and suggestions to my e-mail:

shagols@itdc.koreanair.com

Before I go, I urge all who are interested in Baba to see the movies that I mentioned and also to get to know Sai Baba devotees very personally. Be as close as you can to them as if they are your best friends. Study them and see if they have changed as a result of knowing Baba. I am sure you will come to the conclusion that although they are doing more service, their personality is kind of deceiving and hypocritical, since they proclaim one thing and act another. Another thing I would like to say is that all of the ex-devotees of Sai Baba that I know have realized that life was a misery to them while they were following Baba. Do not be fooled by the devotees that say they have peace of mind. I have seen many who proclaim better state of mind but really are very nervous people.

Thank you for your time and patience through my long and complicated story.


Email from Said (Afshin) Khorramshahgol to Professor Lane

From shagols@itdc.koreanair.com

Sat Aug 30 14:12:31 1997

Hello Professor Lane. I am responding to a recent post. I feel that  there are too many generalizations in this gentleman’s post and it has  to be cleared. Thanks David’s post are placed in two opening and closing parenthesis.

((Dear Mr. Lane: I would like to make a few comments addressing the various question  brought forth by the postings on your web site about Shri Sathya Sai Baba. Ordinarily I would not write this email, since I believe it is virtually impossible  to change somebody’s mind once he is convinced of something and it is often pointless to go back and forth with arguments and counter-arguments. However, since you graciously post dissenting views along with your own at your site, my mail may help others who read your postings and have not already made up their minds. So I would appreciate it very much if you could post this (if you find it worthy) along with other postings in your ‘Sai Baba debates’.))

On the same token, since its hard to change someone’s mind, I am not  going to try to do so, I’ll just try to clear the misconceptions. ((Let me state at the outset that I am not a ‘rabid’ Sai devotee (if you  can call these gentle folk that). I do have faith in his avatarhood and I  have visited his ashram (for 4 days) while I was in India for other reasons. I am not a member of any Sai group and have not attended any of their  meetings, bhajans etc. My explanations about the nature of Sai Baba is offered  without any ‘proof’, these explanations you can read and accept if you find reasonable, reject if not.)) Four days is a very short time to give an opinion about Sai Baba.

Furthermore, you are not associating with the Organization and their events. What do you know about Sai Baba? How did you come to believe  that he is an avatar? ((- Is he the head of a cult ? Yes and No. It is a cult in the sense it has a charismatic leader (but so did Christianity i.e.Jesus). It is not a cult in the sense there is nothing  to join, no dues to be paid, no specific rules to be followed (except may be when you stay at the ashram and even these are very reasonable), no courses to be attended (or paid for) and no initiations to be taken (or paid for).))

Very clearly you haven’t been attending the meetings of Sai Baba’s Organization. Baba clearly asks people to follow nine codes of conduct at all times. There are some activities costing in hundreds of dollars  which are printed in the quarterly magazine of Sai Organization of  America. And wouldn’t you agree that if a cult starts somewhere and the leader decides that – for publicity – he will not ask for money, then the fact that he is not asking for money is good publicity for him and will bring him many followers and most probably money too.

When Sai   Baba doesn’t ask for money, people think that he is not interested in  money. When people see that he is doing some charity work, people give  them some money thinking that since he is not interested in money, he  will spend it wisely. Do you disagree? So, just because Baba doesn’t  ask for money, it doesn’t mean that he is not interested in it. And  just because there is no initiation involved – meaning no one will be  turned away – works to Baba’s benefit, don’t you agree? By the way, I  have seen Baba’s authorities throw out – upon arrival — a 19 or 20 year old hippie boy because of his looks. Don’t you think that this person could have benefited from God Baba’s mission here on earth?

Why does  Baba not let some stay in his ashram and at the same time say that all  are welcome to him and that all are his children? ((The ashram is probably the cheapest place to take a vacation (room  rate as I recall, is less than $2) and nobody will bother you if you don’t bother  them.)) Two dollars is a lot of money for Indian. He is ripping them off. If  he wanted to raise the rent to $10, only the wealthy of India would be able to visit Baba and that’s not good for publicity, is it? ((You don’t even have to attend any of the activities. Nobody will pay you any attention, and definitely no attempt is made to indoctrinate or ‘brain-wash’ you.)) How do you know that no attempt is made to brain wash you? You were only there for 4 days and you don’t go to the Organization’s meetings. How can you be sure? Baba is the ultimate mind expert and politician. The same way that he doesn’t ask for money just to get people’s money,  he uses psychology to get your mind.

Read my previous posting on how  Baba ignores people so that people desire to talk to him more. ((- Does he rub vibhuti on boys genitals (or to use Mr. Lane’s elegant  phrase – rub their woodys) ? Apparently, according to the two postings on your site, he does. He also rubs vibuti on devotees foreheads, throat and chest (read a non-devotee’s experience in ‘Empire of the Soul’ by Paul W. Roberts). Serious students  of Indian philosophy (or even casual ones) will recognize that these are  the locations of energy centers in the body, the so-called chakras (I know,  I know Mr. Lane, nobody has seen these chakras and ‘proven’ their existence, but humour me for now). The lowest ‘muladahara’ or the root chakra is just behind the testicles in the male. This is the seat of our animal nature – survival and procreation (i.e. sex. The second chakra below the navel is also related to sex). Apparently these two individuals had some problem in this area.)) You are making a great mistake here. First of all, Baba rubs “oil” in  an area “behind” the testicles of boys. I got the same treatment.

He rubs the oil behind the testicle and doesn’t do anything with the testicle. This ritual has been a part of Hinduism for God knows how  long. It has nothing to do with rubbing something on the dick. Secondly, the dick is not a chakra area either. Third, why did Baba  have to touch my dick? Fourth, why did Baba have to hug me while doing so? Fifth, why did he make sexual noises? Sixth, why did he breath  harder? Seventh, why did he make me touch his private area? Eighth, why did he make sexual sounds while directing me to touch him? I think  if you put two and two together you will see that most probably he is  GAY. ((But what about the fact that they felt molested ? We can understand  this using an analogy: Doctors (practicing western medicine) will often examine)) Excuse me to cut in. I studied philosophy and took some 5 or 6 classes on logic. Your analogy is a fallacy. You try to compare Baba with a doctor as if for sure Baba has pure intentions while touching us. Are you sure his intentions where pure? If yes, please answer my questions above, like, why did he make sexual noises? ((their patients while they (the patients) are completely disrobed. During this, they may (mock horror!) even stick their fingers into various orifices. It is not uncommon for high-strung or emotionally immature patients (usually women) to accuse the doctor of molesting them.))

Thanks Dave, thanks a lot. First say we are “emotionally immature   patients” then compare or connect us to women. Why not compare Sai Baba  to a Catholic Priest who molests boys instead of making a Doctor out of  him? (( These individuals are not lying, they truly feel they have been taken  advantage of (No doubt the kind Mr. Lane would give them all a sympathetic hearing). Of course, there are also some doctors who do take advantage of their patients. So it is not surprising that a few persons would misinterpret Sai Baba’s actions.)) Considering the fact that you saw him for only 4 days and most probably  didn’t have a private interview, you must be the one misinterpreting  Baba. (( But for a person with literally millions of followers, Sai Baba has very few disaffected ex-devotees (hundreds of students have graduated from his school). )) If you read Jed’s accounts you will see that some of his students accuse  him of molesting them or their classmates. However, since the whole  family are devotees, out of respect – Indian tradition – they are not  coming out to the open. But they will. Read Tal Brook’s book “Lord of  the Air” or contact Mr. Premananda of Indian Skeptics for books on  people who have come out.

((Vibhuti, by the way, is ash left over after burning incense – nothing  to do with cow dung. Hindus (over 600 million of them) have been putting vibhuti from their temples on their foreheads for thousands of years, long   before there was a Sai Baba. I don’t mean to accuse anyone of ethnic   insensitivity, but I would have expected better from someone who teaches at the   university level.)) One thing is for sure, Baba is not creating this ash from nowhere! He  has been cut in two movies, with at least 5 shots of him cheating on  creating vibuthi. There goes his claim that he is creating them from  nowhere through his will. Don’t you agree that if that is the case, then he is lying? ((- Does he teach anything strange or weird ? Sai Baba has not ‘written’ any books but there are many books available of his discourses. His basic message seems to be to encourage his followers to be of service to others. Nobody has pointed out anything remotely objectionable in his teachings (Mr. Lane, surely his message should  merit some mention in your opinion of him, or are all your lectures at the university based on gossip and innuendo rather than serious study ?). ))

Wrong again, Sai Baba has written a few books. The reason why Professor  Lane has not brought up his teachings is because he is too smart for  that. After years of seeing evangelists taking people’s money by ONLY  talking, he will not fall for an Indian with an afro. Baba himself says  that talk is cheap, so we are looking at his character through his  actions, namely molestation, cheating, lying, etc. ((- Is Sai Baba Omnipresent ? Not exactly, he is not present everywhere at once. But his consciousness can be present in several places at once. So you can call him (or to use a  new age phrase, invoke his presence) so that he can be aware of your current situation (especially if you are a devotee and have a unique connection to him). He does keep close tabs on everyone and everything at his ashram)) Wait a minute, if you accept that Sai Baba is an avatar, then you must  accept that he is omnipresent. After all, an avatar is God in human   form. Bon would argue that our understanding of omnipresent is wrong,  that it doesn’t mean knowing everything. But all religions say that God  knows everything. In my opinion, if God doesn’t know everything, he is  imperfect, agree? I remember that as a devotee, I had to change my  ideas of omnipresence and omniscience because I found some short comings  in Baba. In order to not lose faith in him, I changed my ideas. 20 ((- Is he Omniscient ? Again not exactly, all the knowledge of this world and its past, is not present in his brain.)) In Sai Baba’s monthly magazine, Sanathana Sarathi, there was an essay  that discussed how Baba fulfills the prophecies of Prophet Mohammed  regarding the chosen one that will come to save the world.

One of the  sayings of the Prophet as was printed in Baba’s magazine – with his permission of course – was that all the knowledge of the world, past,  present and future will be in the chosen one’s head. So I figure Baba claims to be omniscient, omnipresent, etc. don’t you agree? (( However, he can access this information (about past history as well, from the hall of records – another eastern myth). He  can read your mind and so has access to your memory. He may even be misled by any false memory you have or by incorrect information from a person who  believes it to be true, unless he bothers to check it with other sources. All  this does require some effort on his part, though perhaps insignificant for him.))

So, he is not an avatar and he is lying to everyone by saying he is. In  my opinion, he is a black magician. He himself believes in black  magicians because once he told a story that involved a black magician Don’t you agree that if he is not God, but he claims to be God then he might be a black magician. He might be able to do great magical things, but I know for a fact that he fails at times. So, don’t you agree that  he might be a black magician in that case? ((- Is he Omnipotent ? No. As the Hindus say, even Brahma has to work within the Laws of Karma  and so does Sai Baba.)) Baba says otherwise.

He says that he can do anything. He says that if  he wants he can turn the sky to earth and the earth to sky. He says that however, he has to respect the Laws of Karma and not show his power. That is the only limitation the law of karma supposedly has on  avatars. It’s not that the law of karma will block the powers of God or  avatar. It can’t, it’s just that the avatar will not disturb it. So, if   you see a short coming in Baba, it’s not because of the law of karma.  If he wrongly tells of your past, then he is imperfect. (( He may be able to delay or accelerate your karma or help you face it, but not eliminate it or change it. (This may explain why he  can give a rich man a gold ring, only of sentimental value to him; but not   to a poor person – it would just add to his karmic burden). )) Instead of giving expensive jewelry to the rich, I suggest that he give a dose of love. After all, his devotees claim that once in a while Baba  gives them this dose of love or emotions of love that makes them feel  very good – as a devotee I had some myself, but now think that it was  all a play of my own mind and that Baba had nothing to do with it.   Wouldn’t that be better in order to change the rich person’s mind and  capture his heart? ((- Does he have supernatural powers ? As the theosophist says, there are no supernatural acts, only natural  ones we do not yet understand. Or as Jesus said, “even greater things than these  [the miracles I have done] will you do”.

He is capable of producing items seemingly out of thin air. He claims he does this by his ‘sankalpa’ (act  of will). There are many anecdotes of this as well as a few reports of  fraud (many more of the former). Unfortunately, many people are fooled by magicians. And even more  unfortunate is that Baba does not allow cameras of any kind in his compound anymore. So, you cannot catch him cheating on tape anymore. However, I have seen him cheat on three different movies. Just because many people claim to his miracles, does not make him a miracle man. Look at “God Lives In India” and tell me if you believe the millions who believe that he is doing miracles or the few who believe he is a cheat. (( But I prefer to ignore them both, these are mainly to attract people who look for miracles rather the message. Again these acts require some effort on his part. (Note that none of his ‘miracles’ true or false require any payment))) You are truly fooling yourself Dave. If the guy says that he is performing miracles due to his will, and if he gets caught cheating, then he was lying to everyone. Why can’t you compare Baba to the  Evangelists for a minute just to see if they compare. I am not asking  you to compare him to the Evangelists for ever, just do it and compare and then think about Baba as you want. Honestly, isn’t he doing exactly  the same thing? Everything is the same between them except that Baba  doesn’t ask for money, which in my opinion is a new, more pure “looking” way of Evangelism. ((- If not by miracles, why am I impressed ? As I said earlier, his message is simple and beautiful (almost naive for  this material world). Also, when you are in his presence (I did not have a  private interview so was at least 25 feet from him), a curious peacefulness  comes over you (not excitement at all).

This feeling wears off, if you visit  him daily on consecutive days. I have been told that this is because your consciousness is already at a higher level as the days pass.)) God help us if higher consciousness means that I will become like Bon  and so many Baba devotees that I have seen. Or does the feeling wear   off because you get used to being around Baba – God, superhuman, someone   special? ((- Is he God ? I am afraid not (sorry to disappoint Sai devotees). But he is pretty  close, I believe he is an Avatar. His position on earth is explained in my  webpage (http://members.aol.com/dngude/worldorg.htm) – this site will no doubt, establish my credentials as a certifiable ‘kook’). – Will following him make you happier ? Perhaps, but very likely not. For the following reasons:

1. If your former friends do not like your new association with an  Indian Guru, you feel socially isolated. If your own family resents it then you  are in real trouble.

2. After you have been on the spiritual path for a few years, all your repressed emotions, anger, resentment, repressed sexuality comes to the fore. These inner demons have to be conquered before you can progress much further.

3. When you come into contact with an Avatar, your personal karma is often accelerated (perhaps because you can tolerate more pain with his help). However, following him can put you on the Path for eventual self-realization, so all this may be worth it. All the information above is my current understanding of the ‘truth’. It  is offered ‘as is’ without any warranties. Fallibility is the human condition whatever the Pope may think.))

Thanks for being honest about your opinions. Thanks for accepting that  they are opinions after all. Bon on the other hand would tell us his opinions as if fact and scorch us saying we have too many opinions. Unfortunately, he used to throw out my fact – three movies – as movies  not having any value like Independence Day. I appreciate your honesty. ((As for the two individuals: I am sorry that they feel violated or  molested. >From their postings, they appear disturbed persons. I urge seeking a qualified therapist and undergoing counseling (I have my Ann Landers hat  on now). There is always the danger of psychological breakdown or worse.)) Unfortunately, I haven’t had the luxury of a therapist. I’ll do so AS  SOON AS I make some more money. ((Thank you Mr. Lane for your indulgence. Regards, 20 Dave (dngude@aol.com)))


Letter to David Bailey

From : IRAN / USA

Source : Afshin Khorramshahgol – correspondence to David and Faye Bailey

Subject : MY ACCOUNT RE SAI BABA

Dear Faye and David, Hello.

Here is a brief account of my experiences with Sai Baba. I apologise for the graphic language of this message, but it is the only way to share my experiences.

I travelled to India three times, from 1991 to 1993. On my first visit to India I was already a devotee of Sai Baba and believed he was God. I had a total of seven private interviews in the first two trips. In the first private interview Sai Baba asked me to undo my pants and drop my underwear. Since I believed he was God I did as he asked. He had already ‘materialised’ oil and he applied it in the area between my penis and anus.

I was told after the interview by some devotees, that this act is done by gurus to their disciples to open a chakra, or source of spiritual energy in the body of the disciple. However I am not sure if this is what in fact Sai Baba had done.

My research since, has not found this initiation ceremony in any Hindu books or scriptures, or among Hindu followers of other gurus.

In every private interview after the ‘initiation’ private interview, Sai Baba asked me to drop my pants and underwear, and he would rub my penis. Once he was rubbing it so hard it was obvious to me that he wanted me to get an erection.

I was busy talking to him about my problems, the problems of my country Iran, and my family’s problems, and I was asking him for his blessing for all of them.

I was not interested in sex or anything, especially with a guy, and so my penis did not grow, now matter how hard Sai Baba tried. Finally, he gave up and threw my penis up and turned away with a very angry face and mumbled something. When he turned back to me, he told me to put my pants on again and the private interview was over.

You may ask why I didn’t stop Sai Baba doing what he was doing if it was so obvious to me that he wanted me to get an erection?

Due to my being brainwashed, I thought I had to throw out this thought as it was another obstacle on my way to reach God. According to Sai Baba, all bad thoughts have to be thrown out immediately and replace with good, pure thoughts – and so I threw out the idea of Sai Baba trying to give me an erection, even though I knew he was.

In another interview, Sai Baba asked me to kneel in front of him while he was standing. He took my head with his right hand and pushed it hard into his stomach. He then took my other hand with his left hand and tried to rub it against his penis.

I did not grab his penis. I just let him direct my hand to his penis, using the outside of my hand, not the palm of my hand. While he was rubbing my hand on his penis, he was moaning sexually.

In the middle of this act, I tried to look up to see his face as I wanted to see his emotions, He didn’t let me. He pushed my head into his stomach harder, and this made me stop my desire to see his face altogether. He finally gave up, realising that I was not interested in grabbing his penis, since I wasn’t willing to use my palm to touch him.

Even this incident didn’t shake my faith in him. That’s how strong is the brainwashing in Sai baba’s organisation.

In all the private interviews that I had with Sai Baba, he would also hug or kiss me, or ask me to kiss him. I had come to reason with myself that he was touching my penis because he was probably healing me of some disease or handicap. I reasoned to myself that Sai Baba asked me to kiss him, or kissed me because he loved me, and kissing on the cheeks is all right – kissing on the cheeks between men is okay in my country.

It was not until I saw a movie that shows Sai Baba cheating, that my faith in him started to crumble. It was only after I left Sai Baba (six months after seeing that movie) that I realised his real intentions in those private interviews.

I am willing to testify in any court of law or in any gathering about the above experiences.

I have been very active on the internet for the past six years and I have saved numerous people from falling into Sai Baba’s evil trap.

Regards,

Afshin


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David Bailey on Sathya Sai Baba (transcript from phone call plus audio links)

Posted by robertpriddy on May 22, 2010

Former leading devotee of Sathya Sai Baba, David Bailey, explained his disaffection in a phone call with Thomas Wiehe, a Swedish ex-Sai Baba devotee).

David Bailey, who exposed Sathya Sai Baba's deceptions
The fuller evidence “The Findings” presents the Bailey’s intensive investigations of Sai Baba’s reported sexual activities. fraudulence claims and activities.

Listen to the actual phone conversation in mp3 here:- Part One,   Part Two  and Part Three   (full transcript can be read here)

Here are some further excerpts of Bailey’s testimony (see also earlier blog)

David Bailey: I have personally investigated first hand – that the water project is not finished, there are many villages without water – not even connected. The hospital is very badly run and it is just not what we are told at all. Now people do not want to hear this, but this is the truth. This is why Faye and I have moved away. He knows that he will be caught out. The rings are all bought from Hyderabad and locally in the village, the vibuthi he carries between his fingers in tablets… I’ve seen it, he dropped a tablet in front of me. It is all an illusion, it is all a hoax, it is all one big trick, and so many of us innocent people have been hoodwinked. Faye and I, with our books, we have removed them from sale wherever we can, because we cannot allow anybody else to go and get involved because of us. We also respect that many people do good, but it is now time in my view for people to do good because of good, not because of his name. It is a terrible situation…

When I spoke to the very close people – I have some very good friends there who know exactly what’s going on – when you get to the inner circle it is a business, that’s all they’re interested in really, but people like Phyllis Krystal, people like Mike Hollander, who have been there for many years, they just turn round and they say ‘If you consider he is God, he can do anything. He can have fraud, sex, drugs… anything. If you do not consider he is God, then of course you have a problem, because of the laws of your land, your morality, your own upbringing and your own standards. And they say this is your problem to sort out, you must decide that he is God. I said this is crazy, the one that creates this beautiful world that we live in, does not come to this earth and do these ridiculous things. There is NO record in Prashanthi of him doing any healing at all. Any healing that has happened within people has been an internal personal thing, but there are very, very few serious records of this anyway. The problem with the incidents that have been reported before is that either the young men have been so threatened that they have said ‘I’m sorry, I made a mistake’

I think the first thing that made me question was when there was a question of Prince Charles going there and because I have played for the Royal family several times I know that what happened with the detectives that go – you know -to check everything out first. And Prince Charles had written to me about the possibility of going one day and I suddenly thought ‘what questions will they ask me, what answers can I give them. And I suddenly realised that I was living in a dream world, not in the real world.

Thomas Wiehe: What did you find about the hospital?

“David Bailey: There is a ward that is still not open. They have not done any renal operations for a year. The money is questionable. With Isaac Tigrett, when the hospital was built, he gave $49 million. Well, only $34 million went to the hospital the rest were… well, it’s just corrupt. Australian television do a programme on him last year and the hospital, they had found that they were selling organs etc. The hygiene of the hospital is disgusting. Now I know Sara Pavan who is the top anesthetist from Australia who’s there all the time, and he said to me ‘David, you never, ever, ever let anybody come to this hospital because they do not understand hygiene. It is just so sad. We’ve had several instances where people have been refused entrance to the hospital who need attention. They say they do not have the money but this does not make sense because the money that I have seen being handed in at the office every day. The problem that we have is that the coordinators will say ‘This did not happen’ or ‘this is an illusion, this is a test.’ It is something that must be addressed.

To read the entire transcript one can visit David Bailey Phone Conversation

The phone call text was posted by Gerald Moreno in an attempt to get maximum Google coverage of the issue for his pro-Sai fanatical defenses. His arguments can be seen here, with suitable comments which defuse his entire misguided maunderings.


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David Bailey’s disaffection in 1999 (phone conversation transcript & audio)

Posted by robertpriddy on May 18, 2010

Phone conversation with David Bailey recorded by Thomas Wiehe, a Swedish ex-Sai Baba devotee.

Note: David Bailey, an accomplished concert pianist, was a very close favourite of Sathya Sai Baba for a number of years, having had more than 100 interviews with him. He and wife (who was chosen for him by Sai Baba) visited many Sai centres throughout the world holding talks at Sathya Sai Baba centres. He wrote books praising Sai Baba, until he learned from students at the Sai colleges – and subsequently from young men and some parents of Sai Baba’s widespread homosexual abuses and molestations which they testified had been forced upon them. Mrs. Faye Bailey had accepted from Peggy Mason of the U.K. to continue the Sai Baba magazine, which had been published for many years by Mason and Ron Laing. After a protracted period of awakening and investigation, Faye and David Bailey ceased to promote Sai Baba in the magazine and instead published a lengthy exposure of Sathya Sai Baba and many of his deceptions and failed or bogus works. This bombshell caused a major fall-off in membership of the Sathya Sai Organization and led to a large number of further allegations and revelations about Sai Baba, his organization, institutions and following. The long document “The Findings” summarized their intensive investigations of Sai Baba’s reported sexual activities and fraudulence claims and activities.

Listen to the actual phone conversation in mp3 here:- Part One,   Part Two

Here are some excerpts with surprising facts that came to light:-

David Bailey: Terry Gallagher was an Australian who spent five, six, seven years – and a (whole) day – with Swami. He was closer than I was with Swami. Then when he left, through having found out the truth of what is going on, I somehow became so close to Swami that for three years I was blind to what was going on… because I had been told what everybody else had been told. And then after our marriage we became even closer and became part of what it termed the inner circle. And when we saw for ourselves what was going on and realised what other people who had been close also had experienced and why they had left, then when we did our world tour last
year, it was disastrous… with so many things that we found.

We went back at Christmas to discover that everything that we had found was totally true; as soon as we got back to England, we had the fraud squad from Scotland Yard, the British Government’s Foreign Office and the Charity Commissioners waiting for us with major investigations, with proven fraud in some cases

..the other thing which we had discovered was this homosexual activity. You know, to start off with we believed (it) was only Swami – shall we say – raising the kundalini within the student. This is what we were told, but then when we realised that it was not… and it was definitely not just Swami – well I have to be open and honest – playing with the students… but asking the student to actually make sexual acts on Swami, including oral sex. It was just ridiculous. And then the students at the college turned to me for help, because this has been going on for years, it is why the assassination attempts occurred… because the students were absolutely sick of him making them do things they didn’t want to do. I am grown up in my attitudes and realistic to realise that around the world many things happen between consenting adults, but when you are in a position of power as headmaster or teacher or guru or whatever you like… to make your students do things they do not wish to do is not acceptable, and also in England – and I believe it is true in Sweden – it is illegal. And if Swami were in England he would be put in prison for twenty years… Now that is my problem because at one of England’s top preparatory schools for children from five to thirteen years old, the Royal family sent their children to this school… and I was suddenly made redundant. I lost my job and they asked me to continue with my job part time only to teach in the classroom – no work in the evenings… even we had performed one musical and they said you may not attend the rehearsals, you can only attend the performance.

I was seen – with Faye – to be going round speaking for Swami. From the police, from the authorities from many countries… they saw David and Faye – and other people too – going to speak for Swami. As a result families would go out to Swami… sons, the young men would be sexually approached and come back, there is even one person in England who has committed suicide and we have stopped another one, we pray, from doing so. But we were seen as agents… that we would be very charming, very nice, persuade people to go – because of my involvement with the college boys so closely they thought that I was just a provider of his sex toys. That has now ruined my career in England because I now have a record of being connected with him.

These excepts will be continued in a subsequent blog. To read the entire transcript – and to hear the phone call itself, visit David Bailey’s Phone Conversation with Thomas Wiehe of Sweden

The phone call text was posted by Gerald Moreno in an attempt to get maximum Google coverage of the issue for his pro-Sai fanatical defenses. His arguments can be seen here, with suitable comments which defuse his entire misguided maunderings.


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Moreno’s bawdy blogs and few supporters

Posted by robertpriddy on October 15, 2009

Gerald Moreno shows a lot of ingenuous ingenuity of the brand used by tabloid papers, twisting things, omitting all details which go against his great goal, to twist and discredit practically everything that has been written to reveal the secret nature of Sathya Sai Baba. This puts Mr. JGM’s mindset in question, catering as he does for readers who have no sound judgement due to an inherited or acquired religious indoctrination. With a true believer syndrome hanging round their necks like millstones they don’t see. This inability to reflect deeply over oneself, the ability to question oneself and re-evaluate their positions, having been constantly warned by Sai Baba that faith (in God, in him and his word) is the cardinal value and the essential for all ‘spiritual’ progress. doubt is presented as if it were a sin, the activity of Judases and so on. Gerald Moreno’s writings are witness to this mindset. He never tells of doubts of any kind (after his preliminary induction into the Sai Baba set-up) and his opinions never based show any kind of ‘pro- and contra-‘ reasoning. Unlike those who have been heavily involved with Sai Baba but have been able to stand back and review things in the light of overwhelming new facts. In all his output, Moreno is an extremist black and white thinker, and his critics he paints black on every issue, himself, Sai Baba and all supporters as white only.

The sheer bawdy vulgarity of many of his texts gives the strongest signal that any Sai devotees worth their salt in honesty and decency ought to get loud and clear! Yet under internal instructions from the so-called Sai-VIPs in the movement, the great majority of the supposed 10 million or so more-or-less followers will not come out in support of Moreno – for the leadership knows how that would condemn the movement utterly and forever and seal its fate. At the same time, not one of these believers in truthfulness, love, non-violence, peace and righteousness has lifted a finger to defend dissidents, or to utter a tweet of criticism of Gerald Moreno. This speaks louder than words… those who devoted themselves completely to good works and were known as upstanding servers and honest people – and some were deeply revered (David Bailey, Dr. Naresh Bhatia) – are not only banned like lepers from the fold, but left to withstand massive personal slurs and harassment based on nothing but irrational attacks and base lies. So much for the courage of convictions and conscience of Sai devotees around the world, who are too cowardly to stand up for the persecuted and harbour no love in any form of action for anyone who criticises the guru, whatever their reasons. In this we see the core nature of the Sai Baba movement as an indoctrinated and increasingly exclusive cult.

See this bawdy, raging, blustering attack on me by Moreno – and note his fixation on anal matters:-

I have never made a single legal threat against Gerald Moreno as he well knows. He has never received a letter from my lawyers.I have occasionally made a general warning about infringement of my copyright. Since Moreno is raring to go to court, let him sue me. My legal advisers see not a single point in which I am in jeopardy. I do know, however, that lawyers have been contacted by other offended parties to examine the options concerning Moreno. Note the vulgar fantasy in Moreno's anal threat above!

I have never made a single legal threat against Gerald Moreno as he well knows. He has never received a letter from my lawyers.I have occasionally made a general warning about infringement of my copyright. Since Moreno is raring to go to court, let him sue me. My legal advisers see not a single point in which I am in jeopardy. I do know, however, that lawyers have been contacted by other offended parties to examine the options concerning Moreno. Note the vulgar fantasy in Moreno's anal threat above!

A list of some – far from all – of Moreno’s obsessive attack pages can be found here.


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Sathya Sai Baba can’t escape the sex abuse testimonies

Posted by robertpriddy on October 3, 2009

At least 30 young men have openly testified in public to one or another form of sexual abuse by Sathya Sai Baba, from handling of genitals to masturbation and oral sex. Numerous others who fear for their own safety have contacted trusted dissidents in private with their accounts.


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How Dave Lyons realised the Sai movement is really a cult

Posted by robertpriddy on August 31, 2009

By David J. Lyons (Sai Baba follower from 1981 to 2000. Ex-President of the Center of Greater New Orleans). Date: 03-13-05

No one wants to believe that an organization he/she was an integral part of is a cult. I could not have been basking more in the glory of the avatar with such vigor, such pride, such enthusiasm as I was in those last five years, 1995-2000. Not only did I believe all the stories coming out of Puttaparthi, I actually repeated them to my colleagues, friends and relatives. The only thing I did not do was try to recruit new members for the Sathya Sai Organization. I believed that Sathya Sai Baba was calling devotees at his pleasure, at their karmic level, and, most importantly, at his omniscience. I believed that a majority of the world’s population would come to honor him as avatar before his passing in 2022. I was happy that I was one of the early ones. Such was my position and feelings and beliefs–until it all came crashing down.

From April, 2000, until early July, 2000, I was sending emails, and snail mail to those who did not have computers–all pertaining to the sexual crimes and the murders at the ashram on June 6, 1993. All I wanted was for them to take an objective look at the mounting evidence, to talk to some of the victims of Sathya Sai Baba’s sexual molestations. In this time period many were coming forward with their stories. The posting of THE FINDINGS on the Internet was the triggering mechanism for creating courage among many molested ones, and a personal hand-written letter from a teen victim, sent to all the presidents of U.S. Centers, was devastating. When I saw that most of our devotees, the majority who were from India, would not even contemplate taking even so much as a peek at anything negative regarding SSB’s criminal actions, I was astounded. The term “cult” had not entered my mind until much later in the year of 2000.

In July, 2000, Al Rahm and wife Marisa came to New Orleans for a convention. We renewed our friendship, I showed them the town, and we had heart to heart talks. There was another devotee couple here who had defected and we all had dinner together. Al had then introduced me to Glen Meloy, via email, who was forming a support group. I was happy to become part of this group as I felt like the Lone Ranger battling the likes of Michael Goldstein et al. During this time period I was gratified to hear of the resignation of Shirley Pike, who had been the president of the North Central Region of USA. We (myself and a few other devotees from the New Orleans Center) had begun making trips to St. Louis for the Memorial Day retreats when the North and South Central Regions did a combined retreat just outside of St. Louis, Missouri. When the new South Central Region was carved from the states of Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas and Oklahoma (1997), some members of our Center still made the trip to St. Louis, and to Texas for our regular Labor Day retreat. As for as I know, I was the only Center president to resign and defect, and Shirley and Rick Raines were the only Regional presidents to resign and defect–both from the North and South Central Regions.

The impetus for this Revisited and Revised Spiritual Odyssey was the memory of Glen Meloy, who died on New Year’s Day, 2005. I had spoken to Glen for the last time just after Thanksgiving of 2004. He was in terrible pain. Glen’s contact for updates was the other worldwide leader of the Expose`, Barry Pittard. Glen and I had spoke many times since that initial contact in July, 2000. He gave his last ounce of energy and courage in a superlative effort to protect children and teens from being molested by SSB, and he was making great progress in several areas of the Exposé. Barry’s efforts have been marvelous also. It was Barry who carried the sad news to me and many other former devotees–all who had developed a network to bring justice for the crimes of SSB.

Glen Meloy was a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba for 26 years, and during that time he gave freely of his time in many categories, managing the book center for America in Tustin, California, among many other volunteered seva (service). We had long conversations about the ones who remained loyal to Sai Baba, and we were especially shocked at the complicity of Jack Hislop, who had been on the receiving end of so many hand-written letters from Sathya Sai Baba. Jack had known since the 1970s of the molestations. Jack Hislop was the most-liked of the highest-ranking devotees of the planet. I sure liked him a lot, so when I discovered he had known all along (note: he died before the big scandal broke open) I was filled with chagrin. We were incredulous about many other high-ranking office bearers here in USA not willing to look at any evidence, not willing to talk to some of the victims, not willing to admit that these sexual molestations were crimes–all because they believed that the avatar could do what he wanted to, that he was above the laws – and morality. Very soon we realized we were part of a very subtle cult, a cult of personality involving a very charismatic guru who had, at least in part and in the past, powerful paranormal attributes.

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Moreno’s deception re David Bailey Phone Conversation

Posted by robertpriddy on August 17, 2009

In another of his countless pro-Sai web pages, among those contrived to mislead [as nearly all of them against me are], the pro-Sai extremist Joe Moreno claims that ‘anti-Sai activists’ withheld the transcript of the second part of a phone conversation which David Bailey had with Thomas Wiehe of Sweden. This is entirely untrue. Both parts of the phone conversation were transcribed from the start (see here and here), and both were on-line too here and here). It seems Joe is unable to search the Internet with the ‘efficiency’ he often crows about. This is what he concocted:-

sscreenshot from Moreno's saisathyasai.com under "bailey-phone-conversation.html"

screenshot from Moreno's saisathyasai.com under "bailey-phone-conversation.html"

Obviously the phone call was recorded by Thomas Wiehe, who made the call…  who else? So no further identification was necessary. The call was made either in 1999 or 2000, but the date is immaterial.The really absurd assertion Joe makes is that it is undeniable that David Bailey prepared what he would say on the fallacious ground that the phone started ringing in his office/home. Anyone can figure that  the recording was evidently switched on by Thomas before David’s wife answered. The ring tone is what is heard when phoning to UK before the receiver is lifted. QED. But so what if David had prepared what to say. However, he is a very accomplished presenter of what he has to say, and with no eeers or ums. That he did not tell of what his students had told him for 18 months is not in the least remarkable. Such matters are extremely sensitive, and – in this case – four students were murdered in cold blood in Sai Baba’s bedroom in 1993, so Bailey had to taker all precautions to protect them. This is also one weighty reason why no student has dared to raise a court case against Sai Baba in India (which is the only nation where such a case could be taken up and also where he has the highest protection the government and judiciary can provide).

BaileysJoe talks about no ‘scintilla’ of evidence. That is because he systematically and a priori doubts each and every testimony and every fact he does not like and then he sets out to try in massive web attacks to destroy the reputation of every dissenter who speaks out about Sathya Sai Baba. However, in one thing Joe is right, the phone conversation gives massive insights into the reason for David Bailey’s disaffection – a favourite of Sai Baba who was asked to over 100 interviews

Moreno’s gross dishonesty in not admitting or removing untruths that he has posted, or apologising:
Unlike Joe Moreno, I correct mistakes I have made when they come to my attention. Though I hardly ever look into any of his depredations – they are so fanatically trite and revealingly antipathetic – I now see that he has made a big fuss over a relatively innocuous mistake I made, my having stated somewhere that David Bailey has a music website. However, I was too hasty – it was not his website, it is another David Bailey (mea culpa). Despite that I know that David is alive and well and has moved from UK to the Continent (his location is not made public because of the masses of hate mails and webs libels he suffered when he dared to speak out about what he discovered about Sarthy Sai Baba’s massive deception, having met many of those who tell of being sexually abused by Sai Baba.
See also: http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/9/David_Bailey_phone_testimony.html


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Sathya Sai devotees in total denial

Posted by robertpriddy on July 28, 2009

Former P.M. of India, A.B. Vajpayee

Former P.M. of India, A.B. Vajpayee

No one can observe Sathya Sai Baba’s activities sufficiently to know that he is not guilty of the many charges of sexual molestation. No one – apart from young men who sleep in his quarters – know what he does at night. Despite this, the former Prime Minister of India, Vajpayee, and Chief Justice P.N. Bhagwati (sometimes written ‘Bhagawati’ – both long-term worshipping devotees) made an infamous public declaration that these were “wild, reckless and concocted allegations made be certain vested interests and people against Bhagawan Sathya Sai Baba” and also call these “baseless and malicious allegations“. However, they fail signally to present a shred of evidence about vested interests and it has been proved also that they have never instituted the slightest investigation of the very many and convincing allegation. This shows more about the amateurish way that such prominent Indian figures go about making statements… all of which are completely unfounded… as is documented fully in a blog challenging Vajpayee and Co. see here

Goldstein-at-70th-b'dayThe observation of Sathya Sai Baba’s activities by any one person (other than the boys who attend him) cannot cover more than a fraction of the time at his disposal, which also applies to everyone else without any exception. Despite this, close devotees of Sathya Sai Baba among his prominent ‘special guest VIPs’ such as his close confidante Dr. Michael Goldstein, Dr. G. Venkataraman, also the top office-bearers Ashok Bhagwani (UK) Steen Piculell and Thorbjørn Meyer (Denmark), the businessman Jack Hawley, among others), have openly claimed to know that Sai Baba is innocent of the sexual charges, a conviction frequently also held by other close followers and office-bearers. This claim is transparently self-defeating because none of them have been able to monitor Sai Baba’s activities in more than a few dozen interviews lasting an hour or so, plus the rather limited periods that Baba is seen in public during darshans, festivals and such like. They believe he is innocent, which is a completely different matter… it is denial of the possibility and refusal to investigate further. They cannot presume to ‘know’ much at all about what Baba may do in private interviews or during the nights etc. (he has been accused of many sexual molestations in both cases); all they could truthfully say is their belief in Sai Baba’s purity is fundamentally and overwhelmingly based on subjective faith.

The (future) Prime Minister of India, Manmohan Singh, at Sai Baba's70th birthday celebrations in 1996

The (future) Prime Minister of India, Manmohan Singh, at Sai Baba's70th birthday celebrations in 1996

The current Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, has also been a deluded follower of Sathya Sai Baba for a long time, as the photo of him decked out in Sai Baba robe regalia in 1996 proves.

No one can ‘know’ that Sathya Sai Baba is anything that he claims to be, such as an omniscient. omnipotent ‘God avatar’, for such knowledge requires knowing everything oneself… which the persons involved most evidently do not by a very long chalk! I have experienced all such people long enough to realise that they have rid themselves of their individual judgement, always trying to do what they are told to do and say what they are told to say… according to each their perceptions of Sai Baba’s fickle ‘will’. Their claims have no validity whatever in deciding this matter.

Further, if they were to be capable of applying Sai Baba’s repeated advice and ‘see only good in everyone’, ‘do not criticize others’ etc. then surely they should not assume without evidence that those who tell of being molested are liars or malicious persons? (see Vajpayee’s calumnious statement)

This sweeping accusation by him is particularly unsavoury disunity between word and act. It is patently incredible that over 30 persons in different parts of the world who have bravely testified in public should be found, convinced and paid by someone to make such charges, especially as all would realise the trouble and criticism they would have to face in so doing. David Bailey collected and published at least seven highly convincing e-mails he received alleging serious molestations. It was well-known in Prashanthi Nilayam that he did not have the means to pay what such a demanding smear campaign would doubtless have cost, even if he’d had a credible motive for so doing. David Bailey was a remarkable favourite of Sathya Sai Baba having had over 100 personal interviews and knew he would lose all the apparent boons, blessings, benefits and ashram privileges that such closeness is believed by all devotees to give (read his phone testimony here).Yet more convincing was the defection of Sai Baba’s close devotee (SEE http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/6/bhatia.htm) alleging long-term sexual partner, Dr. Naresh Bhatia!

Sathya Sai Baba is quite simply lying about his accusers too. Very deceitful and abusive behaviour by him has even been documented by long-term devotees, not least by some who experienced it from his very early days, such as by Vijayamma (SEE http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/27/Vijayamma_reviewed.html), Varadu, (SEE http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/6/saisex6.htm#was3) M. Krishna and others who were once very close to him.

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David Bailey’s ‘The Findings’ its consequences

Posted by robertpriddy on September 19, 2008

Once the top favourite foreign devotee and classical pianist David Bailey, who attended over 100 interviews with Sathya Sai Baba, was fêted for years by countless Sai devotees. He performed occasionally for the British Royal family and taught one of the princes at a private school.   However, in 1999 he learned many hidden truths about his guru and his writings soon released the floodgates for testifiers of sexual abuses.

This most decisive phase of the exposé of Sathya Sai Baba – begun in the 1970s by Tal Brooke – took off with the publication in 1999 of ‘The Findings’ by David Bailey. When he was lecturing about Sathya Sai Baba and his ‘teachings’ around the globe, David Bailey was eventually so inundated with reports from parents of abused sons and of sexual molestation from students who he taught music at Sathya Sai Baba’s colleges that he began to investigate with an open mind. His discoveries set off a chain-reaction among those who describe how they have been abused, defrauded and otherwise seriously maltreated by Sathya Sai Baba. He had already been questioned about Sathya Sai Baba and by British MI5 who were waiting for him at the airport when he returned from abroad (evidently for reasons concerning the Royal family).

David Bailey now lives in Seclusion:

Some years after he made his decisive contribution, Bailey and his wife needed rest from the abusive and defamatory reactions and threats that poured in on him from Sai devotees. They tried to drag his name through the mud as a condemned paedophile in prison and even spread the story that he hanged himself in his cell. These are the utter depths of untruthfulness and malicious rumour to which many devotees have sunk in order to preserve their false faith in Sathya Sai Baba as pure and truthful. Of course, all such allegations are totally incorrect and David Bailey is alive and well, living in France. In an e-mail of 2006 he informed me that he no longer wishes to be active in the exposure of Sathya Sai Baba. Incidentally, he is not the owner of the David Bailey music website, as I once mistakenly assumed. His reluctance to continue in the crucial role he once held in revealing the truth about Sathya Sai Baba is most understandable considering the massive consequences his involvement had (losing teaching position at a private school due to higher intervention because one of the pupils was a British royal prince). Read a transcript of a phone conversation in which Bailey tells the details The campaign of character assassination and hate against David Bailey – and against all other defectors from Sathya Sai Baba – continues on the Internet.

Not only did David Bailey investigate the sexual abuse claims and publicise them, but he was led to uncover various kinds of fraud and sheer deceit by Sai Baba (valueless synthetic stones given as ‘diamonds’ in rings etc.) and in various of his projects (especially failures in the much-trumpeted Rayalaseema Water Project).

Therefore, for all his claimed ‘divine prescience’, Sathya Sai Baba had evidently not reckoned with David Bailey and his wife Faye, whose report on his wide-ranging investigations called his bluff in grand fashion. His findings were reported widely in the media. Comdot Free Information Exchange summed it up fairly well as follows:-

“Well-regarded former disciple, musician David Bailey and his wife went public with accounts of their experiences from spending three years as two of the guru’s closest disciples. This prompted the release of yet more material from former devotees around the world.

Response to these claims from Sai Baba’s ashram appears so feeble that to many it would seem an admission of his guilt. It is said that sources close to the guru claimed that as “a living incarnation of God”, Sai Baba could do what he pleases and it is not appropriate for mortals to question his activities.

“Faye’s own son had been kissed repeatedly on his cheeks and the corners of his mouth when alone in the inner room with Sai Baba, and also sexually touched. And when it was obvious to Sai Baba that this behaviour was unwelcome, he began berating the young man in subsequent interviews with Faye, calling him ‘Mad dog! Hard hearted!’ and so on. At the time this seemed incongruous; it was only after we began travelling the world that the inconceivable and incomprehensible began to make itself clear.

When I asked various co-ordinators about these many disturbing incidents reported to me in our travels, I was told that Swami was ‘raising kundalini‘. I questioned this in my mind. If he was capable of doing anything, why did he have to physically touch the boys, especially when they were unwilling? And what about when he had them actively engage in sex to him? It seems that an ongoing, serious and untenable infringement of basic human rights is being scurrilously perpetrated, in the name of ‘divinity’.”Also see this quote: “On my last visit to Puttaparthi, a male student came and asked me for help, on behalf of some of his fellow students, because they were desperately in need of someone to stop Swami sexually abusing them. I was told how Sai Baba had for years been demanding that these particular boys have oral sex, and group sex for his pleasure. Their details matched what I had already been told so many times round the world. I asked him if this was an acceptable practice in India, and his look of horror as he denied it, spoke volumes. Then he asked me a question I couldn’t answer. ‘Sir, why do you think ex-students tried to kill him in ’93 …?'”

Though David Bailey’s investigations left various details unresolved which one would have desired to know, the main thrust of all his chief allegations have proved true, according to the flood of exposures which have since resulted and are largely available on the Internet. (See The Findings here) One need hardly add that the vehemence with which the Sathya Sai Baba cult is responding unofficially demonstrates the continuing cover-up (leaks continue to occur from those who realise the facts and leave). The vested interests among devotees who are emotionally and psychologically totally dependent on their belief in him, and especially the interests Indians who have become entirely dependent upon the Sai Baba gravy train, are of course very powerful factors. Relatively few who have put in decades of service, written adulatory books about Sai Baba,  donated large sums, and have apartments in or near his ashrams  – have the courage or strength of personality to throw off the deep-seated illusions – or take the moral stand of decency against Sathya Sai Baba’s massive deceits, fraud and abuses.

Thus the cult continues – closing in on itself in secretive self-protection – as is the case with almost every religious personality cult whose figureheads have been exposed completely. One need only mention the example of the fraudulent Swami Premananda – serving a life sentence for rape and murder (a sentence confirmed after an appeal to the Supreme Court of India. There is a long, long line of famous Indian gurus who have been exposed, many convicted of major crimes, but they still have apologists and followers!


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