Sathya Sai Baba Deceptions Exposed

Exposing major deceits by guru Sathya Sai Baba in India, incl. murders cover-up & widely alleged sexual abuse

Sathya Sai Baba and the truth about God

Posted by robertpriddy on August 30, 2015

To get any understanding of an unknown phenomenon, we have to express what we think it may be in terms of known phenomena. But the supreme of unknowns – God – is constantly expressed in terms of equally unknown and intangible things…. omniscience, omnipotence,  heaven or hell, salvation, total realisation, omnipresence, infinity, everlasting time and so on.

Consequently, there is no chance of attaining to understanding – let alone definitive proof – of any supreme being. Sathya Sai Baba was smart enough to realise that, so he makes a virtue of the ineffable mystery! No one could plumb the nature of God (i.e. of himself) as it is ‘beyond anyone’s understanding’. One had to have unshaken belief, engage in lifelong prayer, repetition of names, visualisation of a divine form and other mind-dulling activities (with the exception of doing constant social service) if one were ever to ‘know’ God.

One has to have intense faith that these ways produce results and must practice them assiduously for anything up a lifetime, by which it is too late to do anything about it if one finds it does not lead to what it claimed. Sathya Sai Baba, despite his humongous claims and prophesies about himself, did not fulfil them, even dying after multiple organ failure and huge weight loss long before he stated he would.

It was a requirement in the Sathya Sai Organisation to believe that he was divine, omnipotent and omniscient. It depends on how you define omnipresence, or imagine it. There are lots of quotes about it by Sai Baba, but they do not make a coherent account. His close servitor, famous former newsman V.K. Narasimhan, was (mostly privately) adamant that he was neither all-knowing nor all-powerful. He could not state these views while he lived in the ashram as it was totally against what Sai Baba claimed and a vast majority of those who approached Sai Baba believed. (This is evident from years of talking to people about him at the ashrams, in Sai groups in Europe and in the entire hagiographic literature and countless former on-line discussions).

Those who follow many Hindu gurus (I cannot speak for all) exist in the mental equivalent of delirium, something they do not recognise for what it is because they have been entrapped from childhood in a multi-faceted sphere of unfounded beliefs, handed down superstitions, rituals and prohibitions. A large section of the Indian population share a culture of this kind, one which has counterparts in other mainstream religions, but hardly to the same degree (except in extreme sects).

Intense forms of worship, unreflecting absorption of beliefs and doctrines or supposedly ‘spiritual’ practices to enhance awareness of divinity or lead to self-realisation and transcendence of all worldly desires and ills, lead to a cognitive torpor from which release becomes ever more difficult. The motivation to wish to recognise or seek the situation and its root causes is soon absent and it may require a traumatic experience or major personal shocks to reverse the process of dependency on religious panaceas.

The attraction of the idea that there is a wonderful all-powerful, all good universal What-Not can in many people feel as compelling as the love of one’s mother and father, as the realisation of all one’s (good) dreams and even the instinct for survival (especially after death, preferably in some unknown heaven). History demonstrates that this is one of the greatest weakness of humanity, causing endless confusion, delusion, individual suffering, and the horrors of conflicts and the devastation of religiously-inspired wars.

See also  V.K. Narasimhan, serious doubts at the heart of the ashram

A God is Dead – New York Times corrected

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Who was Sathya Sai Baba – really?

Posted by robertpriddy on August 24, 2015

The almost undisturbed positive reputation for decades of Sathya Sai Baba as a holy man and avatar – until 2000 – was achieved by him through his acute perceptions of people and manipulation of them made possible once the coterie around him was established to make him invulnerable to exposure or criticism. Above all, he was by and large a very sharp judge of people’s personal strengths and weaknesses. He could immediately recognise a threat to his hegemony and also the slightest critical attitude towards him or his many indoctrinating ‘teachings’. As his control of his following grew to near totalitarian proportions, no one was allowed near him who he decided was unwelcome. He always kept people waiting, for hours before darshan, for weeks, months even years for an interview. He also revelled in his power over important people, as witnessed strikingly by what he told Anil Kumar (see excerpt from his talks at foot of blog).

The key to acceptance by him was total obeisance, whereupon one may be invited to a group interview. In advance of that, visitors were vetted for their attitudes through a variety of subtle means. Identifying them, discovering their backgrounds, likely importance and wealth, began with the registration process at the ashram which included surrender of passport for official checks, diverse questioning and assessment by the loyal staff at the various offices through which visitors had to apply (public relations, accommodation office etc.). This was backed up by covert surveillance of visitors through the large ashram staff of workers and selected service volunteers, plus undercover security personnel, all of whom reported any suspicious activities, overheard opinions or details of likely interest to the ashram authorities. Useful information was given to Sai Baba first thing every morning by the head of the ashram or deputies (before he went out to be seen (darshan) in public and inspect the gathering.

Among those waiting on the veranda or in the darshan lines were always many of his more or less trusted VIP persons, leaders of his organisation and institutions and of the visiting groups from the various nations (with their identifying scarves). He would glean information about the groups from them in brief exchanges before eventually choosing one or another group and individuals for the morning interview. The same procedure followed in the afternoon darshan and interview session.

One of his main actions during darshan was to collect letters proffered to him in their hundreds every day. These contained the private communications and requests of the writers, no doubt often very revealing of their real personalities on which he could base his decisions about interviews and, not least, note obscure details which he could later use as evidence of ‘all-knowingness’ in group interviews.

He made great use of promises (seldom kept, but mostly considered a part of his ‘inscrutable mystery’). He would raise hopes by vague assent to questions through smiles, nods, even winks. He made great use markedly ignoring people he was either ‘softening up’ for some purpose, while rejecting others outright. Expressions of anger and corrective stares were not uncommon. In some instances he would say a flattering thing to a person or welcome a newcomer effusively, and to their astonishment sometimes by name. Yet lists of names of new visitors were frequently given him in advance by his minions. For example, I was once asked by a close servitor of his to compile such a list for presentation to him in expectation of a group interview. I was also asked by that person (VKN) if certain persons from my part of the world had arrived yet, or were on their way, because Swami was eager to know! Yet he claimed to be omniscient. All part of his educating us to his ‘uncertainty’, keeping us on our spiritual toes by his ‘pretending’ to have ordinary human traits. Oh, the despicability of it all!

The above techniques, extremely effective in commanding obedient obeisance, were still only preliminaries to his more thorough deceits and manipulations. He had at his command the resources to bribe persons he decided were indoctrinated and least wilful enough to be used tools to his own ends. The bribes were often clever; he would mark out persons of some influence he thought easily manipulated and give them privileges such as a free apartment, some valuable golden statue (note the huge golden cricket cup given to Tendulkar), or all manner of supposedly ‘divine’ amulets and baubles. He gave rings to person who were estimated beforehand to be capable of thanking him with large donations… clever deception in the age-long Indian tradition. For seriously necessary cover-ups the bribes were often huge (and he had obtained the means and more under false ‘miraculous’ pretences). See how he silenced his extended family with huge sums on his murder involvement in 1993 (documented here).

The entire mental-emotional control system is embedded in Sai teachings in dozens of ways, always making Sai Baba seem responsible for nothing untoward, but only for good events, while he always contradictorily claimed he was all-powerful! Everyone else but Sai Baba was at fault and the cause of all their own ills. This ‘spiritual agenda’ of self-denial and glorification of Sai Baba induces further self-indoctrination towards utter self-denial and divorce from normal human life and rights by those who humbly try to follow it. It leads to nervous and social breakdowns, often of a tragic kind (except among the hypocritical devotees who ignore any divine directives as they see fit).

The above only describes a selection of Sai Baba’s deceptions. Read more:-

SATHYA SAI BABA’S DELUDING TECHNIQUE – ‘MAYA’
FRAUD, LEGARDEMAIN, RUMOUR-SPREADING & LIES BY SAI BABA


The Prashanthi Nilayam clown, Anil Kumar Kamaraju employs humour and stories to draw Sai followers, and the result is often very revealing of his Lord and Master, such as:-

“Then Bhagavan said, “The President from Sri Lanka came this morning and yesterday. Her brother was here. He is to become President very soon.” Swami was saying this, “President from Sri Lanka, she and her brother – they’re all here.”

“Further, He said, “Very soon you’ll find the Prince of Kashmir, Sardar Karan Singh. He’ll be visiting here. Do you know Karan Singh?”

Anil Kumar replied: “Karan Singh is known to everybody, Swami. He was the Minister for External Affairs for some time and Ambassador to the United States for some time.” Then, the most important point I’m yet to mention. “Then he addressed the International Cardiologist Conference here in Prashanti Nilayam. The International Conference of Cardiothorastic [sic] Surgeons Conference – heart specialists – was held here twice, and Karan Singh was Chief Guest once.”

Kumar then concludes that  “… this is important, the third important statement: “All want to be here. All VIPs, heads of governments, many, many people want to be here. But still I’m not giving them ample chances. I am not permitting them to be here. They’re all waiting … waiting for Swami’s permission.””  (See source http://www.saibaba.ws/ak_satsang/2002/2002Sep01.htm)

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Indulal Shah deserts the Prashanthi Nilayam faithful

Posted by robertpriddy on August 19, 2015

MuddenahalliThe pro sukshma baba web site http://www.bhajanmusic.info/ recently informed:
On the morning of the 31st JULY 2015, Gurupurnima celebrations in Muddenahalli, a symbolic Bhumi puja for the Sri Sathya Sai Sarala Memorial hospital was conducted. Sri Indulal Shah (94 years) did the honors of unveiling the plaque for the future general hospital in memory of his late wife Sarala. Sri Indulal Shah with agreement from his daughter and son-in-law gave a cheque for 1 crore rupees to begin the building of the hospital. He also gave his mansion, Sai Darshan, towards the hospital project. ”

One whopping great CRORE rupees (about $214,000) from Indulal Shah, he’s one rich Indian karma yogi seva dude(!). No wonder the Trust is angry at money diverted to the subtle baba! Though, that’s not much money when it comes to building a hospital. Methinks a good percentage of that will go into the pockets of sukshma baba staff. Prof. Anil Kumar and Dr. G. Venkataraman have plenty of experience of such things – like free cars and other donated benefits, and are calling to Muddenahalli followers rather desperately for unity of all Sai Baba believers.

“Dr Sudhakar, an MLA in the state of Karnataka, in his speech, promised to get 5 to 6 acres of land from the State Govt for building the SSS Sarala Memorial Hospital.

Note that the Bhoomi Puja was only SYMBOLIC because they don’t even have the land yet!

Swami asked the MLA to get land from the Govt, for a water project for Chikballapur and Kollar by His coming birthday. Both these districts have a lot of drought and so, face water problems. Swami said that when the land is given, Swamy will get the project of diverting the Cauvery river to these districts completed in 8 months.”

The whole Rayalaseema water scheme has famously failed and Puttaparthi suffers chronic drought. Furthermore, when a MLA (Member of Legislative Assembly) graciously promised to cheat the govt out of several acres of land for the hospital, oracle boy further demanded MORE land for a water project! That’s one LESS MLA at Puttaparthi functions, again, probably enraging the Trust.

Who would have thought that such a ridiculous venture as ‘subtle baba’ would draw so many? So much for evolution, these shenanigans have been going on for tens of thousands of years and there’s more suckers born all the time…

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Subtle Baba not so subtle after all, but substantial?

Posted by robertpriddy on August 10, 2015

muddenahalli-hall
The new hall being built at Muddenahalli is called a ‘darshan’ hall.

A visitor remarked, “I thought “Darshan” meant “SEEING someone” but they seem to have redefined it to mean “The imagination of seeing something”. The ridiculousness of stretching the imagination!! Sadly, the devotees can only do this in .0001% of the lies sb constantly told. All the other lies have never found “fulfillment,” despite the amount of stretchy-ness one might have.

Indeed, it could at best only be designated a ‘Subtle darsan Hall’!

What do these bogus spiritual entrepreneurs mean by “subtle baba” – some kind of immaterial spirit that comes and goes? No, they explain it as  basically a body just like a physical body, that does not disappear into the astral world and return, but it has to travel by car and bus to get anywhere just like a physical body. Thus, the “Swami is coming, Swami is going” mentality. So the ex-student Madhu Sudan who parades as Suksma Sai, must be inhabited by a second body, (otherwise he must have been eliminated and taken over totally by Sathya Sai Baba?). It is promised “subtle baba” will remain only until “age 96” (by solar reckoning, not lunar years any longer!). But if the scam continues to be as successful as it seems now, the bets are off whether they will update this till another future date (of course, proving it is really Sai Baba because conveniently changing his mind and being unpredictable and lying was his signature personality).

Meanwhile, the spokesmen (never women) of the diminishing Prashanthi Nilayam crowd, such as the trumpeting Anil Kumar, were reduced to making humble appeals in vain to the ever richer Muddenahalli breakaway culprits:-

AN APPEAL TO MUDDENAHLLI GROUP: PLEASE UNITE FOR SWAMI’S SAKE:

As Muddenahalli crisis is further deepenening creating an utter confusion to devotees of Sri Sathya Sai Baba, Prof.Anil Kumar, the blessed translator for over 3 decades makes a humble appeal to the Muddenahalli group to follow Swami’s teachings and bring in unity amongst devotees instead of creating division in the Organisation.

One commentator, one John Smith, made a point:I would have thought if Swami was going to appear in his light body he would do so to the many hundreds of  well known close devotees at Prashanti not to a handful of not so well known at Muddenahalli. Its hard to believe Swami would feel the need to do this,even to arrive in a car  and they even open the door to let him out !!!! its daft.  Swami has left enough teachings, in his own books, discourses, hundreds of others books,videos. There simply no need for any more teachings, let alone a light body giving yet more teachings and confusing everybody. and they are collecting money it seems, something Swami was dead against. They are at best deluded or downright dishonest…  this is a circus. We must let Swami’s body go, its dead, get over it. The real Swami is in our hearts, as “wisdom eyes” no need to see Swami with physical eyes, unless he wills it, one to one.

‘Wisdom eyes’ in our hearts’. Go tell that one to the Marines! Those who follow Sai Baba and most other Hindu gurus exist in the mental equivalent of delirium that they do not recognise because they have been entrapped from childhood in a sphere of unfounded beliefs and handed down superstitions. A large section of the Indian population share a culture of this kind, which of course also has counterparts in other mainstream religions.

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‘Modern Miracles’ by Haraldsson and peer reviews

Posted by robertpriddy on August 5, 2015

An authoritative peer review of Dr. E. Haraldsson’s revised book ‘Modern Miracles’ (2013) has been published in the Journal for Psychic Studies. See here

Also, backing up this review is my new analysis of the many and serious failings of Professor Erlendur Haraldsson’s revised book ‘Modern Miracles’.
The faults in it necessitated a long and thoroughly detailed critique, so to aid readers, links to locate main themes in it are given here:-

How well did Haraldsson know Sai Baba?

EH’s ineffective ‘scientific investigation’ and coverage of the materialisation issue

Haraldsson’s lack of knowledge of India, Hinduism and esoteric practices

My exposure of Haraldsson’s ‘double-accounting’

Haraldsson’s damage-limitation visit to Puttaparthi

Haraldsson’s friendliness and endorsement of the Prashanthi Nilayam cultists

Haraldsson’s original investigation (reported in ‘Miracles are My Visiting Cards’)

Peer review – the scientific reputation of EH’s book

‘Lingam regurgitation’ undetected by EH!

Ninteen other issues, evidence or key witnesses Haraldsson signally failed to address

Haraldsson challenged by Professor Beyerstein and Basava Premanand

Parapsychological motivations and extra-scientific theorising

Summing up Haraldsson on Sai Baba miracles

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Sathya Sai Baba replacements: Sukshma Sai, Prema Sai…

Posted by robertpriddy on July 30, 2015

There are several substitutes for the lost Sathya Sai Baba recognised by sections of the devotees he left behind.  As one of my contacts wrote “Where in the heck should an ardent devotee worship on Guru Purnima? Prasanthi Nilayam? Muddenahalli? Doddamallur? Or in one’s heart? So many conflicting choices, with more popping up every day!

The substitute or extra Sathya Sai Baba on the upswing at present, ex-Sai student Madhu Sudan or Sukshma Baba, is worrying the Central Trust and Prashanthi Nilayam greatly, who have managed to get Rahul Gandhi to visit the final resting place or Mahasamadhi (i.e. graveyard of Sai Baba). His mother had finally visited Sathya Sai Baba, no doubt hoping it would gather votes for Congress in the election. Now it is Rahul’s turn to try the same tactic.

The Muddenahalli impostor is now being worshipped by former devotees who lost their Baba in 2011 and have are grasping at anything that will give them a sense of continuity and imagined  ‘spiritual togetherness’, emulating as far as possible the routines and rituals of Sai Baba in a new setting, including the giving of rings to those considered deserving.

Pretending that he is walking behind an invisible Swami is a most risible charade to those who are not fully credulous, as so many Indian worshippers are. He claims that Sathya Sai Baba materialises rings in his (Madhu Sudan’s) shirt pocket which miraculously fit those to whom they are given. No miracles are needed for that, there are many techniques to judge the size in advance, knowing to whom a ring will be given.

An article published by Sai Surya entitled ‘The Truth about Sukshma Baba’, a privately circulated pdf which also reached me, lets the cat out of the bag about the rings now being toted by the false Baba, as follows:-
“Some people have received objects such as rings and neck chains. These were either placed in Madhu pocket ahead of time as Swami knew who was coming when. In other cases, the items were teleported. All these items had been purchased from jewelers according to specifications by Sukshma Baba. One amazing things is that the rings are all the right sizes as is everything else. But have no doubt about all these objects being infused with divine energy.”

Note “all these items had been purchased from jewellers…” etc!  Compare with 9:20 in the video listed below,”Says Madhu takes out rings etc from his pocket and giving to devotees saying the ‘light body’ gave it to him (materialized in his pocket!).”  In short, an outright lie! Indeed, the rings have not a jot of unusual energy. For 14 years I wore a 6-carat green stone ring Sai Baba pretended to materialise for me in 1986 (having replaced what he called a diamond ring with a green stone saying “better than a diamond”) and I can assure everyone that it is near worthless object. A top professional assayer found it to be a cheap synthetic sapphire with green silver tinfoil behind the stone set in an 18 carat gold ring. I had said I would donate a large sum, which is surely why Sai Baba did that. So do not be deceived by these Indian ‘leela’ tricks!

Here are some statements from a 14-minute YouTube video in English entitled ‘Subtle body appearance of Sathya Sai Baba in Muddenahalli’ which sets out to justify the scam they are perpetrating on unwitting devotees who followed Sathya Sai Baba. 

4:00, Amusing scene of oracle boy opening the car door and supposedly walking behind sb. (Just amazing that the desperate devotees have bought into this obvious ruse!) 
5:03, Mentions how they have acquired a $200,000 Jaguar through devotee donations) 
6:03, PRO Mr Babu declares that sb is “living” in the Muddenahalli room in subtle form. Also mentioned is how sb gets food twice a day, specifying on a daily basis who the lucky guys are to bring up the food to his bedroom. 
7:49, Mentions how the light body sb calls foreign devotees for ‘interviews’ and tells them he wants to visit their homes. (Oh! Now we know how the foreign tours have come about.) 
8:42, Details on oracle-boy Madhu, how he failed in his career, started a financial consultancy and real estate business and got deep into debt. 
9:20, Says Madhu takes out rings etc from his pocket and giving to devotees saying the ‘light body’ gave it to him (materialized in his pocket!). 
>10:03, Says how Madhu has announced the birth of Prema Sai. (Then why is ‘subtle baba’ still hanging out in Muddenahalli?) 
11:29, Mentions the special treatment of all those coming to Muddenahalli to further attract them, giving special meals, tours of the campus and talk of miracles there. Also, that rich devotees are given ‘interviews’ with Madhu. 
12:32, Mentions Madhu used to give rings but due to the sizes being wrong, he now only gifts pendents. from (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KePS-x6FbX4&feature=youtu.be)

See below the latest travel plans of this unofficial roving proxy Baba are being expanded to cover 7 countries in the coming 3 months, which is mendaciously publicised as “Swami’s World Tour”. A chief plausible reason the flesh and blood Baba could not, after 2000, take a world tour or visit countries he had promised to, was the fear that he would be held to account in countries where his crimes were known and affidavits of his sex abuses were ready!

World Youth Conference – Baba’s 90 Birthday Celebrations – November 15th – 25th
 Muddenahalli – Athi Rudra Pooja – October 13th – 23rd Oct
Hong Kong – October 2nd 3rd
Malaysia – September 30th – October 1st
Singapore – September 28th 29th
Fiji – September 25th to 27th
Australia – September 23rd 24th
Muddenahalli – Alumni Meet -September 6th
UK – August 28th – September 3rd
Dubai – August 26th and 27th
Muddenahalli – Guru Poornima Main Celebrations July 31st

Devotees might rather like to bet on on or other of the two Prema Sai’s which have allegedly been born?

1) BABY BORN NEAR MANDYA ASSUMED TO BE SAI BABA’S REINCARNATION
2) PREMA SAI IS FOUND
TO HELP DECIDE, SEE Prema Sai’s place and time of birth controversy

 

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Recording emerges of Asaram trying to bribe witness (later murdered!)

Posted by robertpriddy on July 25, 2015

Asaram Bapu is reportedly heard on a tape offering a bribe to a witness (half now half afetrwards!), a teenager called Kirpal Singh who alleged Assram has raped him, according to the father of the boy. This guru is clearly the embodiment of adharma, as his long record shows, and his continued attempts to disrupt the legal process on all any ground he could dream up has been successful so far, his case is still not heard. Let us hope that the Indian judicial system is up to convicting him (though the world has it doubts, knowing their record). NDTV reports: “Kirpal Singh was attacked in Shahjahanpur on July 10; he died in a Bareilly hospital the next day. He is the ninth witness in the case against Asaram to have been attacked and the third one to have died.” There are two suspects who are Asaram followers.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/rape-victims-father-gives-police-audio-clip-against-asaram-783708

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Asaram Bapu malignant criminality continues to spread

Posted by robertpriddy on July 22, 2015

The Asaram Bapu-related crimes simply continue to spread, showing that this guru has developed a malignant and cancerous cult. Followers of Asaram Bapu and Co. cannot therefore claim to be either moral, spiritual or religious so long as the who continue to support this monstrous figure. 

firstpost com: Jul 16, 2015 Now, anonymous threats to women police officers investigating rape case against Asaram A letter has appeared herethreatening two women police officers who had investigated the rape case against self-styled godman Asaram.

firstpost com: Jul 13, 2015 Attacked for speaking up against Asaram: The list just keeps growing The ongoing rape case against self-styled godman Asaram Bapu seems to have assumed a character similar to the Vyapam case, with several mysterious killings and assaults linked to the case.

zeenews.india com  Asaram rape case: Family of murdered witness seeks permission to keep gun  The kins of Kripal Singh, the third witness to die in the sexual assault case against self-styled godman Asaram Bapu, have reportedly requested for permission to keep a licensed gun for their safety.

zeenews.india com Women cops probing Asaram case get threat letter Two women police officers who had investigated the rape case against self-styled godman Asaram received threat letter.

zeenews.india com  Witness in a rape case against Asaram gets security Security has been provided to Arvind Bajpai, a crucial witness in a rape case against self- styled godman Asaram Bapu, by the police four days after one of the key witness in the case was shot dead.

zeenews.india com Asaram case: Another witness gets threat After the deaths of two witnesses in Asaram Bapu case, another person claimed to get death threat.

 zeenews.india,com Asaram’s victim seeks CBI probe after murder of witnesses  After a key witness in the rape case against self-styled godman Asaram Bapu was killed, the 16-year-old victim demanded a CBI probe into the matter, even as police conducted searches in Shahjahanpur and Lucknow ashrams to nab the assailants on Monday.

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A well-informed, savvy, and honourable ‘Sai Baba blogger’

Posted by robertpriddy on July 20, 2015

srikanthThe foremost all-round critic of Sathya Sai Baba in India – a former service worker at Prashanthi Nilayam who gradually penetrated the falsity and deception there – is Srikanth Uppuluri. His blogs on the entire spectrum of Sathya Sai Baba’s teachings, works and actions are not only revealing of horrendous treatment of devotees based on his own observations, his family and those of other people known to him, are truly illumining.

In his most recent article he discusses the preposterous megalomaniac claims of Sai Baba as to his infallibility both as to knowledge and will power by pointing out some of the many dismal failures over which he presided. Uppuluri asks many pertinent questions (which have obvious answers to the non-indoctrinated) such as: “How is it that the good work done by the individual, is done by Swami, but their bad actions attract karma?” This and more is at: The Universal Manager – unable to hold his organization together through his Divine Will?

Profesor Anil Kumar contradicts himself and SB’s teaching) time and again. Uppuluri points out the unsolvable paradox that Kumar cannot handle, namely, why should he ask people to go to the Puttaparthi ‘graveyard’ when Sai Baba constantly stated that he is present in everyone, is within and without, so that travelling long distances like that is simply wasting time and money. Sai Baba could not defend this himself as he asked for visitors and service workers to come from across the globe to see him often, especially on his meg-birthday do’s. I knew a number of VIPs from many countries who had visited him from 30 to 60 times!

Nearly all Westerners came to realise that the interpreter Anil Kumar was and is less of a genuine professor than an empty head parroting through his vocal megaphone. (Too many Indian professors have got their titles through family or diverse sources of corrupt patronage, whether or not they had actually bribed their way to a degree, as is seen in the appalling low standard of knowledge one can meet in them).
Prashanti Nilayam – Now Sathya Sai Baba’s graveyard?

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‘Subtle Sai Baba’ gets more demanding

Posted by robertpriddy on July 17, 2015

The imaginary ‘subtle form’ of Sai Baba – supposedly speaking through his former intimate student, ‘Sri’ Madhusudhan Naidu , – spouts ‘discourses’ which are utterly boring to hear and which demonstrate that the ego of Madhu Sudan is more than intact, as his original false humility wears thinner and more blatant. Now he is making a bid to take over a key part of the apparatus of Prashanthi Nilayam, the student alumni and the Seva Dal (voluntary service workers). In a discourse outrageously entitled ‘Sai Baba’s Discourse to upcoming Seva Dals’ on July 11, he proclaims:-

“This is your family and you have to take care of it, and attend to all the programs. When I Willed to come to Muddenahalli to continue My mission, I brought the Alumni and students who will follow Me and contribute to it.”
“If you have any questions, ask the elders first. If they are not able to answer, then come to Me. But the elders also come to me for answers, so you might as well ask Me directly.”
Comment: A true mish-mash of conflicting ideas showing that no blunder is too big for the devotees to gush over, as many of us observed in Sai Baba. Then, true to the rules enforced at Sai Baba ashrams, he requires the cover-up of all differences of opinion… which only shows that there is serious infighting at Muddenahalli, not only throughout the remaining whole Sai Baba movement:-

“Differences in the family should stay within the family and should not be discussed outside. I am going to different countries for the sake of the devotees and starting Ashrams there. We are starting ashrams in Italy, Croatia, Australia, Nigeria, America, Sri Lanka and ultimately there will be 17 of them. Each Ashram will have a school, a hospital and be a center for many seva projects.  Glorious times are ahead. Only those who serve selflessly and are pure hearted will get an opportunity to serve Swami is happy that Alumni from all institutions have come together. More people will join in future.”.

Most Sai followers regard the ‘Glorious time’ to be of the past, but Madhu Sudan understands that Sai Baba made much use of guilt to induce followers to give free work to help ‘the Cause’! Ashrams are not what they used to be, places of retreat and refuge equivalent to monasteries, for they have mostly become centres of ‘megaphone spirituality’, indoctrination based on false information and wild beliefs and superstitions, cultist mentality and, above all, engineered to generate huge funds from donations and religious scams to fund the luxury lives of those in power. 

“90th birthday is still small compared to the 95th birthday which will be the last one of this avatar. Lots of projects will start everywhere before the 95th birthday. I will look after these projects as Prema Sai.”
One can’t suppress a laugh at this. At one stroke, the Muddenahalli gang have in this way refuted the theory, held so dear by so many devotees in denial, that Sai Baba reckoned time in lunar years (only concerning his own lifespan, of course) and so did die at age 95! More than that, there is now a growing cult that believes Prema Sai is already alive as a child in Doddamalur, while others promote beliefs that Prema Sai will be born on Gurupoornima this year or later… as so on. What a circus, only possible where primitive religious belief blots out factual knowledge, common sense and all the relevant sciences!

“There will be a western canteen set up by Italians. Cook with love and serve with love. Swami gave another incident. In the South Indian Canteen there was a person who did service, but it was poor. When additional peope showed up he put extra water into the food and made sure everyone ate it. He spoke with harsh words. He wanted that Baba should put Tulsi leaf and water in his mouth when he was on his death bed. Baba told him your service was not quality. For fame and name you did it. You gave the wrong food and trouble to devotees. Now your disease is the result of what you did. At least learn now and do better in your next life.”

It seems that this ‘oracle boy’ has lasting resentment against some sevak from the South Indian Canteen and is happily revealing in the fact that the guy got a disease and no attention from ‘swami’ on his death bed – so beware, devotees!

above quotes in blue from  http://www.bhajanmusic.info/sukshma-baba-information/JULY-2015-MUDDENAHALLI-DISCOURSE-ENGLISH
See more about ‘Sri’ Madhusudhan Naidu here

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A second witness against Asaram Bapu murdered!

Posted by robertpriddy on July 15, 2015

A key witness in an ongoing rape case involving a self-proclaimed Indian godman Asaram Bapu was killed religious leader was killed last Friday (July 10, 2015) . Coming after a long list of attacks on nine potential witnesses until now, this is the second death of witnesses who were to testify against this toxic ‘religious ‘ guru’. Asaram Bapu Time.com reports:- “The prospective witness, Kripal Singh, was shot by two assailants in the district of Shahjahanpur in the country’s northern state of Uttar Pradesh, Indian broadcaster NDTV reported. The duo were on a motorcycle and warned Singh not to depose against the “godman,” Asaram Bapu, before shooting him and fleeing. The 35-year-old Singh was then rushed to a nearby hospital where he died of his injuries, police said. Singh was an employee at a transport firm owned by a man whose daughter was allegedly raped by Bapu at his ashram in 2013. Akhil Gupta, Bapu’s former cook –  a primary witness in the Gujarat rape case – was shot dead in north India town this January. The Indian Express newspaper reported that police have begun a joint investigation to determine whether he was a victim of the same killers.” (See In two Asaram witness killings, one method: similar gun, similar shot – (See more at: In two Asaram witness killings, one method: similar gun, similar shot Asaram Bapu is still in prison in Jodhpur, where his ashram was. He has been detained since September 2013, having been accused two months previously of a second rape by two sisters – carried out along with his son Narayan Sai at one of his ashrams in Gujarat two months after initially being jailed.” Seven other witnesses have been attacked in the case against Asaram Bapu (long since notorious for his 2012 statements blaming the victim of India’s most dreadful rape and murder case in New Delhi). (See world.time.com It has long been known that many Hindu gurus are involved in sexual abuses, murders and numerous other crimes for which they have been charged, while only a relative few have been convicted (see here). The infamous Asaram Bapu, a super-rich ‘godman’ with countless fanatical followers, is a major case in point… his dossier is a stunning indictment of his many-sided criminality. His defence is obviously to eliminate all witnesses by killing them or scaring them off. The Indian police and judiciary system, already often biassed in favour of Hindu gurus, still seems quite incapable of handling this dangerous person and his following.

View the full dossier of Asaram Bapu here

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Saikingdomcome vs. Muddenahalli medium

Posted by robertpriddy on July 1, 2015

The website saikingdomcome exceeds itself in confused confabulation time and again. Under the heading A RISING NEW MOON BEGINS THE CHANGES ON EARTH (12 June 2015). Aglow with hope it circulates the latest dollop of codswallop that the ‘Reappearance’ of the deceased Sai Baba will be on either July 31st (yet ANOTHER Guru Purnima) or Sept 28 (the next ‘supermoon’ and Shirdi Sai’s supposed birthday). It’s a case of make up your mind… while the third, at least 99.99% certain alternative, is that there will be no reappearance then or later either.
Meanwhile, the Muddenahalli gang are propagating their absurd medium – Madhu Sudan, as if he were Sai Baba Himself. in the following, for example “

“Great news for all Aussies ! Sept 23rd and 24th Swami will be visiting Shangri-la in Australia.”

“Swami will be visiting” do they even realize the irony in the comment? If it is “sukshma baba” then he is everyone all the time. Fact is, only the oracle boy is travelling. Wonder if they take the boy around to the various tourist sites and ask what “swami” thinks of those places and what new mysteries are??! Good life for him!
“WORLD YOUTH CONFERENCE – Muddenahalli
November 18th – 24th
Australia September 23rd and 24th (confirmed)
UK August – last week (see note at bottom)
Nigeria
July 14th – 17th (see note at bottom)
Sri Lanka
July 3rd – 5th (confirmed)
Singapore
June 25th AND 26th

…. ArriveMuddenahalli 27th.”See also Prashanthi-Muddenahalli bitter war erupts
Sai Baba’s ‘ship of fools’ moving to Muddenahalli
Prema Sai child – overview of Telugu news video

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V.K. Narasimhan, serious doubts at the heart of the ashram

Posted by robertpriddy on June 17, 2015

Since 2000 I refused to continue to observe Sai Baba’s directions to avoid absolutely all criticism of anyone but oneself. I reject the gag he imposed on followers – which they had also to  impose on themselves and others – and have been concerned only to tell the truth as it presented itself to me, whatever else I have believed and felt. I came to know very many important negative facts about Sathya Sai, his ashrams and organization, and not least from Sai Baba’s closest associate after biographer N. Kasturi, namely,  V.K. Narasimhan. This included information on the gravest kinds of criminal behaviour. Many others have, of course, made these discovery themselves and before I did. I admit to having experienced many instances of connected with Sathya Sai which are generally called ‘paranormal’, but I cannot say in honesty that these have proved fruitful for my life. I may have had some kind of indirect help from him, yet this is a matter of what one chooses to believe and not one of certainty as there is neither proof nor any confirmation from Sai Baba on it. Rather to the contrary, in fact. Gratitude I once felt for events that I then believed to be his doing – things for which I did much in return for about 18 years – has withered in the face of lies, deceits and worse in which he has been caught out.

I have written extensively about these revelations by my valued friend Narasimhan, who was one of India’s most awarded journalists and became editor of Sai Baba’s journal when his wife persuaded him to live at the ashram. These notes recorded his mostly private views, observations and doubts in various articles. To back up all this, I have published scans of my very extensive notebooks made after many of my long conversations with him through a decade. Links to some of these startling reports, all of which I certify were noted correctly to the best of my ability, are as follows:-

VKN trying hard to believe 

V.K.N denied SB claims of omnipotence/omniscience, avatarhood etc. 

VKN put under pressure to conform by Sai Baba

V.K.N.  on the murders cover-up etc. 

V.K.N.’s inability to get Sai Baba to tell him the truth about the murders

V.K.N. on pointing out to Sai Baba his inconsistent teaching

V.K.N on suppression of facts at the ashrams 

V.K. N. – faith-shaking revelations (Overview of VKN on murder cover-up)

Links to full documentation via notebook scans 

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Insider knowledge of Sai Baba from V.K. Narasimhan

Posted by robertpriddy on June 13, 2015

Transcript of notes made by me in 1990 after talking with close Sai Baba confidante, V.K. Narasimhan, covering Sai Baba’s boyhood visits to famous ‘saints’, Krishnamurti, his driver’s suicide, printing problems and more. Transcript in black, comments in purple:-

26/9/90 Morning darsan
N. took me off again ((note V.K. Narasimhan)) and we had a long talk in his room and more tiffin in the canteen etc. This was the most interesting for me to date. Subjects he covered included Annie Besant, Krishnamurti (i.e. K’s meeting with Baba who told him off for berating the Vedas, shastris and puranans etc. and asked him whether he knew them at all or understood them ‘why attack the faith of others?’ K. was told. Also why should not his (K’s books also be burned? What made them so different?’
(Comment: Only an ignoramus would fail to see what made Jiddu Krishnamurti’s writing VERY different from scriptures. He opposed all manner of religious speculation and superstition, and therefore saw the need to criticise ‘the faith of others’ which was so misleading and overall very deleterious to society and the individual)

N. told of his meeting K. following him for some time – then (when he was with Baba) how negatively K. reacted etc. to it. N. was also told by (?) Sai that he (Sai) had told Aurobindo that, by sleeping in the same room as the Mother, he was setting a bad example!
(Comment: What about the very bad example set by Sai Baba himself having young boys sleeping in his rooms, and even telling about it in discourses. Sheer hypocrisy! It is widely recognised that the flood of testimonies about his sexual use of males, students and visitors, is very well-founded)

Likewise, Ramana Maharshi had been reprimanded by the young Sai for not covering his body properly before all the people, including ladies, who came to see him. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was also told not to make money from spirituality! This was at a meeting in Bombay, most likely (not Puttaparthi). Comment: Talk of hypocrisy! Taking money for spirituality was Sai Baba’ greatest forte. It was ostensibly to serve the poor and suffering, educating them etc. ,but the vast amount went to magnificent building projects promoting Sai Baba himself – such as his huge birthday celebrations. Huge sums were embezzled by his own officials and entrepreneurs etc. while it is know that huge bribes were paid for cover-up operations and his personal security force. He also awarded new Japanese cars to five of his cronies and many other perks – residences etc. to others.

N. also talked about the possibility of an offset press for P.N. and the problem of management & a competent devoted leader, for whom Sai was waiting before setting up such an enterprise.
(Note: Later he also told me that an US devotee had sent an entire offset machine to SB at Brindavan, but it has stood in the rain for a year and was useless!)
The case of the driver: N. had never spoken of it to anyone but me before. Key points: (Over) Sensitive person may have taken comments by S,B. to heart too literally – he had killed a person by careless driving – tho’ warned three times previously about driving too fast/confidently by S.B.
(Comment: The driver had been excluded by the ashram, was denied to speak to Sai Baba and had no other means of livelihood. He set fire to himself under a statue of Shiva in the Hillview Stadium area).
N. also ‘compared’ with other incidents: Sai’s punishment of Kasturi for a fault warned about 3 times – breaking faith with the Telugu San. Sarathi once published verbatim Sai saying, during a discourse, that a son who went against his father’s wished could just as well be poisoned for it. It had been, said S.B., specifically intended only for a man in the audience who had actually just poisoned his son & who was suffering terrible guilt for it. This passage was left out by Narasimhan in th English version! (Note: The Telugu version had printed it and suffered the wrath of Sai Baba)
N. also related about his visit to U.K. & Parliament in 1953 with Churchill. (Note: He heard Churchill speak, but did not meet him)

Also, yesterday about his editor son’s trip to Moscow to Gorbachev together with India’s President. And the reaction to his articles. So positive that the Russian embassy wants them in book form etc. (Note: Later his son, V.K. Narayanan, who I met a few times, committed a major fault – he was disgraced for plagiarism of Brian Appleyard’s column in the Sunday Times, whereby he lost his entire employment and once very high-flying career in journalism.)

View the scan of the notes from which the above transcript is made

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Has Satya Sai Baba been reborn? – Part 2

Posted by robertpriddy on June 10, 2015

More photos of 'Prema Sai' plus

More photos of ‘Prema Sai’ plus

Has Satya Sai Baba been reborn? – Part 2

The newslady gives a recap about the boy named Preetam, declared as Prema Sai. She says some believe and some say there should be an announcement by the Trust if it is really true.
1:00, Newsman Lakshmi Kanth reports from Puttaparthi: he asks a lady selling flowers what she thinks, does she accept the boy as Prema Sai? She said if he comes here than she’ll have faith, not before. She keeps repeating that she won’t believe until she sees him in person.
2:43, A foreigner is asked if she believes. She explains in English that she believes in time that he will really come but for now, she just believes in the Prema Sai in her heart.

Comment: The female Australian visitor at Prashanthi in a prawn-coloured sari carrying a bunch of roses (a passable ‘blind believing foreign devotee phenotype’) declared her certainty that Sai Baba is the triple avatar incarnation and said ‘the energy is here’ but didn’t know if ‘the embodiment’s here, But it will come’. She added ‘Aren’t we all Prema Sai? Aren’t we all god?’ The answer to that is ‘no more than we are all human, all universal energy, all nothing, all everything’ (See discussion here)

An elderly Indian devotee is asked if he believes. He says Prema Sai should be born after the 96th year of Sathya Sai, not before. He thinks what is happening now is all for money. He mentions other scams that happened with some guy near Hindupur and another on the way to Bangalore (indicating Muddenahalli?). Those who believe are stupid, he says.

5:33, Mother Tejamani is brought on again, to ask her (in Kannada) about what Puttaparthi devotees think. She says she is also watching and won’t fully believe until a few years has passed and if the boy does miracles as promised.
The news people agree she is an innocent, honest woman and the whole drama is concocted by the Manipur devotees and Srinivas. The talk about how even her head could be turned by the adoration of the devotees and the special privileges they will get.
8:52, Anil Kumar finally comes on, the newslady asks about his first reaction. He says first he was surprised and all the devotees are eager and expectant about Prema Sai coming and are jumping to conclusions too quickly. He praises the cute little, normal boy and the innocent mother. He says each needs to have their experience and not just believe in what others say. He says based on what the mother says and how the boy acts, he has serious doubts about him being Prema Sai.

14:44, They try to get Anil Kumar to ask Srinivas questions but apparently the audio isn’t working, Anil Kumar cannot hear what the studio peopleare saying. Instead, discussion amongst the guests in the studio ensues. The commentator lady suggests they consider that this might really be true; we have heard of a ‘child progeny’, is it possible that he is one? One consultant guy says it may be possible to consider if he takes after one of his parents, say if the parents are good looking, the child may get those traits too. But, it is a mistake to think he can just get special qualities saying it is from some past life.
15:30, Another guy says even the boy’s own parents accept that there’s nothing special in him. What’s happening is all because of the pressure of others coming in and declaring that he’s god. They want benefits after declaring him as special. If he is special, he can declare himself later on. The lady agrees, why is everyone pushing the announcement now instead of waiting?

17:38, TV Rao is introduced and asked for his opinion. He says in the Hindu religion there is no mention of man being god. Sathya Sai is all about tricking the public. The Central Trust is behind all these attempts to fool the public. The lady says the Trust hasn’t announced anything about Preetam being Prema Sai. Rao says that is just a secret, after some time they will agree and promote this Prema Sai.
>19:50, Anil Kumar asserts that the Trust has no opinion about this so far, as far as he knows. The lady asks if he believes that when Prema Sai really comes, will an official announcement come through? He says NO. He said the Trust is all about maintaining the org and ashram as it is now, but they have no spiritual authority to announce when Prema Sai comes.
21:50, Anil continues that there’s nothing happening now that could help people make the decision about the boy Preetam. After he is 9 years old and people have a chance to come into personal touch with him, then we can see. (Audio problems continues, it seems like someone is conveying the questions to Anil Kumar after the newslady speaks them.)
Anil says that people come and form their own opinions after seeing and even worshipping the boy in person. Other than that, belief doesn’t just come from hearing from afar.
23:20, The lady asks if Anil Kumar believes that Sathya Sai said he would be reborn at a certain time, in a certain place. Anil says Sathya Sai never said such a thing and as long as he was alive, this question did not come up. About 20-30 years back, he said Prema Sai will be born. After a few years, he also said that Prema Sai MAY be born in Karnataka. He also said Shirdi was the embodiment of Shiva, Sathya Sai was Shiva-Shakti, and Prema Sai will be the embodiment of Shakti. Now 30 or 300 people may come to worship because others declared he was an avatar. I could even declare my own grandson as one, then the same thing might happen!
25:09, The lady asks how the name of the village Doddamallur came to be known? Sathya Sai never said anything like, “I will born there, I will be in a village, these will be his parents, I will show the boy when he comes”. Anil Kumar says, I am speaking what I feel only. Right now, according to Sathya Sai’s teachings, this life is enough, there’s no need for Prema Sai. What is known and making the life blessed is the goal of life, that is what I feel.

(Comment: Anil Kumar once again displays his complete ignorance of the Sai Baba literature, Kasturi’s and Sai Baba’s own statements. See here)

26:28, Narendra says he does not believe in rebirth. However, there is another research being done and he’s interested in that but as of now, he doesn’t believe. If there is rebirth then how to decide whether one is born again as a human or as a dog? The commentator lady says according to one’s actions it is said one has rebirth. Narendra says what about a dog that just lives its life, it doesn’t sin. Then how to say it is born again according to its actions?
28:53, Asks that if the human birth is the highest, then what comes after a human birth? Ramesh answers there is no past or future births. When a baby is born, it is only related to the mother and seed of the father.
30:26, Takes a phone call from USA from Chaitanya, he is asked how he feels about the news of Sathya Sai being born again. He says it makes him laugh a lot. He says people can say anything but how can we believe. He says there is nothing after death, what is left over after the body dies? Nothing is left. He says Sathya Sai told many lies and deceived the public in many ways. Several people were killed in his bedroom, due to political clout nothing came of it and no one was punished. Sathya Sai is dead and it is impossible for him to come again. It is nonsense, not only with Sai Baba, but no one is born again. If they would have arrested Sathya Sai then the truth would have come out.
33:03, The lady asks him a final question, saying people are worshipping and believing in the boy, others from Andhra might go and worship there, what is his advice? He says, there is no support for the claims and no honesty, don’t have faith. This is not based on scripture. There’s no scientific method. It is a mistake, don’t do it.

334:36, Asks Vishnu Vardhan what he thinks of that. He gives a message to all the believers and nonbelievers. He says Sathya Sai has devotees in every country, took millions of dollars and even now so much service to society is being done. He mentions the water projects. He says think about the Hindu Dharma, some of you have doubt about Sathya Sai but so much service as been done. You speak a lot but why haven’t you done service to society like that? (He goes on passionately about them speaking against Hinduism when so many bad people exist in all religions.)

38:10, Ramesh mentions several unrelated subjects in quick succession: holy man doing this or that in various villages, then says we aren’t talking about them. We’re on one subject here. Shirdi Sai Baba didn’t want anyone to worship him. Science says there’s no reincarnation. You mentioned about all the service done by Sathya Sai, why didn’t you mention about the murders that happened and why no one was punished for what happened? There’s a child in the village that they are presenting as Prema Sai, the reincarnation of Sathya Sai. Talk about that and not other things. Do you believe in him or not? Just concentrate on one thing here. There are so many so-called holy men who have deceived the public, but you defend the whole thing like a dog trying to bite everyone. There’s definitely no past lives. So many people try to make excuses, saying that people are in bad situations because of what they did in past lives, saying past lives, saying karma. Is that boy Prema Sai or not?

42:24, The Newslady says, I am making it very clear, the question here is not whether or not there are past lives or whether Sathya Sai was god or not. You are seeing this small boy, do you believe he is Prema Sai or not? Vishnu Vardhan explains just because someone says that a person is someone, it cannot be believed. (He goes on at length saying if someone calls themselves Bin Laden or Stalin it doesn’t make it true.)

44:12, The newslady asks if it is true that the public can be influenced in their beliefs if a boy is worshipped and treated special? He goes on about people doing service to society like Vivekananda, etc. (He does not answer the question whether he believes or not directly, so the newslady cuts him off and goes back to Anil Kumar, asking his final thoughts.)

45:36, Anil Kumar answers directly that he can’t accept that the boy is Prema Sai. He says present is built on the past and the present is the basis for the future. The great works done, the teachings of Sathya Sai, you have to pay attention to that. He helped numerous people. Think of that Sathya Sai, the water project, the great works… (Anil Kumar talks on and on, the lady cuts him off and thanks him for being on with them live.)

47:50, She asks Ramesh what he feels will happen in the future. He says based on the boy and the mother talking with him, they are innocent and have nothing to do with it. The Manipur devotees and Srinivas are pushing the worship of the boy and promosing to build a temple. I have seen many of such cases, of them changing the lives of small innocent kids. I can also teach the boy how to do magic tricks if you leave him with me for a couple of months. I am afraid what they will teach him ashe grows. There is selfishness behind what they are doing. What is the need of taking that boy to Manipur and promising to build a temple? People will always believe and follow if someone declares something.

51:36, Asks TV Rao for his final thoughts. God being born, God dying, God being reborn, these subjects aren’t even present in Hinduism. Only people who do bad things have to come back, good people go to heaven. The subject of God being born again, we need to blame the people who declare that, not naive innocent people. Shirdi Sai was a Muslim, they made him a Hindu Baba, then Sathya Sai comes putting the symbols of all religions like Christian and Muslim, students aren’t studying in his schools for free, they are paying fees. If we want to protect the Hindu religion then first of all, we need to stop supporting such cheaters who amass millions of dollars.

53:45, Asks Srinivas for his final thoughts, whether he still believes the boy is Prema Sai. He starts by quoting Sankarcharya, that there are births and deaths again and again. It’s an authentic statement. Sathya Sai told many devotees he’d be born again and he declared he would be born in that village. Even foreigners believe in Prema Sai and come to India looking for him.

55:17, Narendra is asked what he finally thinks. He says the boy should be taken to a safe quiet place then he’ll be OK, otherwise left like this to be influenced by people who come to worship him and coached by the Manipur devotees, can’t tell what will happen.

The newslady ends by expressing fear what will happen as he grows older. All needs to wait until he is 9 years old, right now there are no answers to the questions and no foundation for belief of Prema Sai being born again as the boy Preetam.
END (transcript + translation from https://youtu.be/IYn9ThNkRjI)

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